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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 31, 2013 19:59:40 GMT -6
Taylors are a little hard and bright, but tight and rich. I've seen a dozen Baby Taylors, (I teach guitar to kids), and they all developed neck issues. They sounded OK, kinda cardboardish. If you got lucky, and found a gem, hold onto it, don't sell it.! Many guitarists like to record with smaller guitars, they often sit in tracks easier. this is why i dig 11's on my 710, tracks very well. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 31, 2013 21:20:22 GMT -6
Makes sense Tony. I plan to be much more choosy next time I do any acoustic tracking.
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Post by dandeurloo on Jul 31, 2013 22:57:49 GMT -6
What is a good smaller body acoustic? Ive heard a few older acoustics that sound incredible but come with the higher price tag. Are any current guitars good or do I need to get on the waiting list with Scott?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 1, 2013 16:35:16 GMT -6
Gibson J45, Martin D-16, both have a nice balance and record well.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 1, 2013 16:45:26 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 1, 2013 21:20:41 GMT -6
What is a good smaller body acoustic? Ive heard a few older acoustics that sound incredible but come with the higher price tag. Are any current guitars good or do I need to get on the waiting list with Scott? Love the Santa Cruz OM/PW's...The 1929 00's and H models are fantastic too...I've had two Martin 000-18 Golden Eras I wish I had back... |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 1, 2013 22:13:38 GMT -6
My pal had the Santa Cruz, it was a very beautiful thing, but the Turbo just outshone it completely. Did you hear the files this time John?
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Post by dandeurloo on Aug 2, 2013 7:35:02 GMT -6
What is a good smaller body acoustic? Ive heard a few older acoustics that sound incredible but come with the higher price tag. Are any current guitars good or do I need to get on the waiting list with Scott? Love the Santa Cruz OM/PW's...The 1929 00's and H models are fantastic too...I've had two Martin 000-18 Golden Eras I wish I had back... Yeah, I've heard some fantastic older guitars but nothing newer. Looks like I'm gonna save up and then call Scott to have him make me one. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 2, 2013 20:52:32 GMT -6
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Post by lolo on Aug 3, 2013 2:39:10 GMT -6
What is a good smaller body acoustic? Ive heard a few older acoustics that sound incredible but come with the higher price tag. Are any current guitars good or do I need to get on the waiting list with Scott? Martin 000 series? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 3, 2013 8:30:51 GMT -6
I'll probably pick up a 000-18 Golden Era if and when I sell my D-28V. For songwriting, dreads just aren't as comfortable to write on - and that's my main use for a guitar. That and recording well. I've thought about picking up a Gibson Advanced jumbo, though...a used one goes for a thousand cheaper than the D-28V - be nice to pay some bills.
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Post by dandeurloo on Aug 3, 2013 9:03:44 GMT -6
I think I am gonna sweet talk SLL into making me an 000 sized. I want it for writing and recording. If it sounds as good as the other 2 I recorded I will be a very happy guy.
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Post by mobeach on Aug 3, 2013 12:10:53 GMT -6
Ibanez Exotic Wood Series, it has a nice bright tone for recording pop country.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 5, 2013 9:22:01 GMT -6
Never found an Ibanez I liked. I keep an open mind though. I was never sentimental about guitars. If I found some little thing I didn't like, I'd get a different one. Unfortunately, I've dumped a couple of amazing guitars that I should have held on to, and just bought some new ones, but I always needed the money. I sold a one of a kind Greatsch Country Club with custom high end appointments done by Gretsch in 1962, and... an original Fender Esquire.. aarrgghh...
I have two lovely electrics. a mint ES335, and a fender Aerodyne Telecaster. I also have a crappy little Squire 51, it cost around $125, and that sucker has a nice and nasty sound, a little like a Danelectro, so I use it on a track occasionally, or when I need to lend someone a guitar. OK, sorry to digress, back to acoustics..
I think Cowboycoalminer uses quite a bit of compression to get acoustics to sit nicely in a track. I'm curious what signal chains folks here use to get an acoustic to sit perfectly, like in a commercial country radio track. Getting an acoustic to sound good isn't too hard, great guitar, decent mic, very good player, no big deal, it usually sounds pretty good, but man, getting that thing to blend in a track ain't easy. I like how Dwight Yoakam's acoustic sit in tracks. I'm trying to learn to sit back on an acoustic strumming track, instead of accenting too much. It's harder than I thought, and requires just as much skill as playing a complicated part.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 5, 2013 9:28:50 GMT -6
If you're talking commercial country, mono pencil mics ala (KM84, AKG 451, Miktek C5) - two tracks doubled, panned left and right...
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 5, 2013 9:30:26 GMT -6
If the Martin sells (I'll probably regret it) I'm thinking of putting less money into an acoustic. Maybe a used Advanced Jumbo...Had a couple before. A little mid heavy, but they're pretty. Maybe something smaller.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 5, 2013 9:40:41 GMT -6
The Gibson J-45 will record better than the Jumbo, unless you want to sound like Chris Isaac, which ain't bad either, but it takes up a lot of room. I'm planning on getting the Gauge USA pencil mic package of two ECM 84's, they're KM84 clones and cost under $200. I have an engineer friend who has the Neumann's and the clones. He actually prefers the Gauge's, and chose them for a recording he just did at Lincoln Center of the NY Philharmonic ! So, even though I'd love to have the real things, like an AKG C12, etc.. these will probably get me where I want to go. Thanks for that suggestion John, I'd forgotten about the pencil mics. I had tried to order them a few months back, but they were out of stock. I'll try again in the fall when I make more money.
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Post by dandeurloo on Aug 5, 2013 9:49:01 GMT -6
I have done a big pencil mic shoot out in the past. My favorites where my km84's and the Gefell 300's. Some of the other modering high dollar SDC where actually really awful sounding. If I didn't already own a pair of km84's I would have bought a pair of the Michael Joly modded MK-012's. They sound really great and are super cheap. You should check those out.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 5, 2013 10:48:43 GMT -6
Will do Dan, thanks.I'll look into the MK-012's too. I think I remember liking them at Zen Pro's "Clipalator", but it's been a while. I tried the Little Blondies, and unfortunately, it was one of those times where the shootout was much better than the reality. Those KM84's do have some special mojo, for sure.
I'd love to hear your pencil mic shootout, is it still available?
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Post by dandeurloo on Aug 5, 2013 11:13:33 GMT -6
I don't know if I have the session around here or not. It had AKG's, KM84's, KM184's, Gefell's, Beyer's, 2 different Josephson mics and a number of lower budget versions. The stand outs where the KM84's, Gefell's and those MK-012's. All of those three where nice.
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Post by mobeach on Aug 5, 2013 13:16:28 GMT -6
I'm a bassist but use guitars in the studio mainly. I started off on guitar in the mid 70's and switched to bass in 85. No need for a nice Taylor here  |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 5, 2013 14:36:14 GMT -6
Y'now, mobeach, the Takamine EF341-SC is a nice all around guitar, sounds good live, a little bright, but that's sometimes desirable. It's a joy to write on, very easy action. It would be perfect for someone who plays guitar as a second instrument. I'd look on Craigslist for one and save yourself some coin. I sold mine to buy the Taylor, but was happy with it for over 10 years, and that says a lot.
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Post by mobeach on Aug 5, 2013 15:10:51 GMT -6
I like bright, they cut through the mix better than the darker sounding acoustics. Some day I'd like a Taylor.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 5, 2013 19:20:44 GMT -6
Give that Takamine a try if you get the chance, I think you might like it. Stay away from their cheaper models though, they're bad.
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Post by watchtower on Aug 9, 2013 11:01:34 GMT -6
Will do Dan, thanks.I'll look into the MK-012's too. I think I remember liking them at Zen Pro's "Clipalator", but it's been a while. I tried the Little Blondies, and unfortunately, it was one of those times where the shootout was much better than the reality. Those KM84's do have some special mojo, for sure. I'd love to hear your pencil mic shootout, is it still available? I've had some interest in the Little Blondies before. Can you direct me to the shootout? As for the thread, I've got a Martin DRS-2 that I've had for a little under a year. It's my first "nice" acoustic. It was my favorite in the store when I was deciding what I wanted. I played Seagulls, Takamines, Taylors, Martins, and Martins were the only ones that had any low-end. It was weird. I'm used to a bassier acoustic sound, so that's what I like, I guess. The DRS-2 is a Made in Mexico Martin, but I got it because I liked it more than the next higher up USA Martin (a D-1GT). That D-1GT just wasn't clear enough; muddy. Anyone played and/or like/dislike the DRS-2? I've currently got 13s on it, which are kind of a bitch to play. |
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