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Post by drbill on Aug 10, 2020 18:08:46 GMT -6
After dodging the bullet for the first 4 months of this mess, the last 6-8 weeks have seen exponential growth of hospitalizations and deaths. I won't bore with details, but for the last week or so we definitely seem to be slowing down. No deaths in a few days, and hospitalizations are down over 50% over 3 weeks ago.
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Post by Ward on Aug 11, 2020 5:02:55 GMT -6
So... NAMM is canceled. That's just great. How do we do this online?
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Post by drbill on Aug 11, 2020 15:13:30 GMT -6
So... NAMM is canceled. That's just great. How do we do this online? Honestly, was that ever even a question?
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Post by Ward on Aug 12, 2020 6:10:15 GMT -6
So... NAMM is canceled. That's just great. How do we do this online? Honestly, was that ever even a question? Yeah, cos yo know . . . hope sorta remained, for a little while. I mean, everybody kind of knew . . . but you know, wishful thinking is all we have some times.
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Post by drbill on Aug 12, 2020 9:58:01 GMT -6
Honestly, was that ever even a question? Yeah, cos yo know . . . hope sorta remained, for a little while. I mean, everybody kind of knew . . . but you know, wishful thinking is all we have some times. you gotta stay positive!!
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Post by Ward on Aug 12, 2020 10:49:19 GMT -6
All this continuous upheaval . . . Makes me wonder if we've entered into a new age of biological warfare sometimes.
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Post by christopher on Aug 12, 2020 15:05:10 GMT -6
Yeah, cos yo know . . . hope sorta remained, for a little while. I mean, everybody kind of knew . . . but you know, wishful thinking is all we have some times. you gotta stay positive!! Good point.. you remind me that the Spanish Flu was followed by the Roaring 20's, a super great decade for music!
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Post by chessparov on Aug 12, 2020 20:43:23 GMT -6
Whereas as the name implies... The Russian Flu, was of a much shorter duration.
Kidding aside, it still killed over a million people within about a year. The last Great Pandemic, of the 19th Century. Chris
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Post by rowmat on Aug 12, 2020 21:07:28 GMT -6
you gotta stay positive!! Good point.. you remind me that the Spanish Flu was followed by the Roaring 20's, a super great decade for music! Except the Spanish Flu should have been called the Kansas Flu.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 13, 2020 0:33:01 GMT -6
Yeah, cos yo know . . . hope sorta remained, for a little while. I mean, everybody kind of knew . . . but you know, wishful thinking is all we have some times. you gotta stay positive!! or negative......
whatever....
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 13, 2020 0:36:46 GMT -6
Good point.. you remind me that the Spanish Flu was followed by the Roaring 20's, a super great decade for music! Except the Spanish Flu should have been called the Kansas Flu. Because of all the Latino people living in Kansas?
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Post by rowmat on Aug 13, 2020 6:15:17 GMT -6
Except the Spanish Flu should have been called the Kansas Flu. Because of all the Latino people living in Kansas? ?
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 13, 2020 21:39:04 GMT -6
Because of all the Latino people living in Kansas? ? Exactly.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 14, 2020 11:41:15 GMT -6
Gee I thought you meant the Group! Carry on... Chris
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Post by gwlee7 on Aug 14, 2020 18:00:57 GMT -6
We got our welcome back staff bag this week. This was the main item in it.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 14, 2020 19:07:43 GMT -6
You must have been busy then. Only one of you to go around! Chris
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Post by Ward on Aug 15, 2020 11:14:57 GMT -6
We got our welcome back staff bag this week. This was the main item in it. View AttachmentCute. I'm considering a hazmat suit, for regular trips outside the house or studio.
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Post by gwlee7 on Aug 15, 2020 11:28:52 GMT -6
We got our welcome back staff bag this week. This was the main item in it. Cute. I'm considering a hazmat suit, for regular trips outside the house or studio. The meme that says it all from where I sit:
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Post by rowmat on Aug 15, 2020 19:52:23 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Aug 19, 2020 22:09:03 GMT -6
Oh man just found out I have 2 cousins who’s college age Kids have it, 1 in WI 1 in FL.
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Post by EmRR on Aug 19, 2020 22:22:39 GMT -6
As of now I know 6 directly who’ve had it and probably another 20 indirect. 1 fatality. 3 heart problems. 4 hospitalizations. 1 ventilator. 3 needing oxygen. One of the heart problems was a healthy guy about 40, showed up 2 weeks after he seemed fully recovered.
Starting to bug me the news keeps running total cases. That made sense early on, now the more important number is active cases, and I don't ever see that as the headline. Nuance, people, nuance. NC is something like #9 in total cases, but #23 in active cases, and #32 in death rate.
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Post by Ward on Aug 20, 2020 5:00:14 GMT -6
As of now I know 6 directly who’ve had it and probably another 20 indirect. 1 fatality. 3 heart problems. 4 hospitalizations. 1 ventilator. 3 needing oxygen. One of the heart problems was a healthy guy about 40, showed up 2 weeks after he seemed fully recovered. Starting to bug me the news keeps running total cases. That made sense early on, now the more important number is active cases, and I don't ever see that as the headline. Nuance, people, nuance. NC is something like #9 in total cases, but #23 in active cases, and #32 in death rate. It's a real problem, but the MSM is trivializing it by sensationalizing it. This doesn't need that. No solutions are found from lying. Politicians are exaggerating the problem for political gain, which also undermines the credibility. EXAMPLE: In 1999, Al Gore said that there were only 7000 polar bears and they were going extinct. Today only 28,000 remain. See?
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Post by gwlee7 on Aug 20, 2020 8:13:50 GMT -6
As of now I know 6 directly who’ve had it and probably another 20 indirect. 1 fatality. 3 heart problems. 4 hospitalizations. 1 ventilator. 3 needing oxygen. One of the heart problems was a healthy guy about 40, showed up 2 weeks after he seemed fully recovered. Starting to bug me the news keeps running total cases. That made sense early on, now the more important number is active cases, and I don't ever see that as the headline. Nuance, people, nuance. NC is something like #9 in total cases, but #23 in active cases, and #32 in death rate. It's a real problem, but the MSM is trivializing it by sensationalizing it. This doesn't need that. No solutions are found from lying. Politicians are exaggerating the problem for political gain, which also undermines the credibility. EXAMPLE: In 1999, Al Gore said that there were only 7000 polar bears and they were going extinct. Today only 28,000 remain. See? A fair point but, maybe by getting people to stop doing what was causing them to become extinct 20 years ago (shooting them for "sport" probably really high on the list), they have made a nice comeback. But you are correct in that everything is politicized these day. In a lot of other countries this COVID stuff was seen as public health crisis and not as a litmus test of "patriotism".
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Post by svart on Aug 20, 2020 12:52:39 GMT -6
It's a real problem, but the MSM is trivializing it by sensationalizing it. This doesn't need that. No solutions are found from lying. Politicians are exaggerating the problem for political gain, which also undermines the credibility. EXAMPLE: In 1999, Al Gore said that there were only 7000 polar bears and they were going extinct. Today only 28,000 remain. See? A fair point but, maybe by getting people to stop doing what was causing them to become extinct 20 years ago (shooting them for "sport" probably really high on the list), they have made a nice comeback. But you are correct in that everything is politicized these day. In a lot of other countries this COVID stuff was seen as public health crisis and not as a litmus test of "patriotism". As someone who's been following the polar bear/climate issue since the mid 90's.. No, it was not cessation of hunting that changed anything. They simply miscounted due to the bears moving due to changes in seasonal ice patterns. The way they used to count them was little more than guessing. It's a lot better now, but still allows for a lot of scientific shortcuts by those who think they are too learned to be incorrect.
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Post by gwlee7 on Aug 20, 2020 18:22:19 GMT -6
A fair point but, maybe by getting people to stop doing what was causing them to become extinct 20 years ago (shooting them for "sport" probably really high on the list), they have made a nice comeback. But you are correct in that everything is politicized these day. In a lot of other countries this COVID stuff was seen as public health crisis and not as a litmus test of "patriotism". As someone who's been following the polar bear/climate issue since the mid 90's.. No, it was not cessation of hunting that changed anything. They simply miscounted due to the bears moving due to changes in seasonal ice patterns. The way they used to count them was little more than guessing. It's a lot better now, but still allows for a lot of scientific shortcuts by those who think they are too learned to be incorrect. Thanks for saying this. I was making a guess.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 20, 2020 22:07:45 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Aug 24, 2020 7:57:43 GMT -6
As of now I know 6 directly who’ve had it and probably another 20 indirect. 1 fatality. 3 heart problems. 4 hospitalizations. 1 ventilator. 3 needing oxygen. One of the heart problems was a healthy guy about 40, showed up 2 weeks after he seemed fully recovered. Starting to bug me the news keeps running total cases. That made sense early on, now the more important number is active cases, and I don't ever see that as the headline. Nuance, people, nuance. NC is something like #9 in total cases, but #23 in active cases, and #32 in death rate. You would think this would be easy, but the lack of standards in how to report has made this impossible. Hospitals within city or county Can have different reporting standards, counties may Herve different standards,.... The other problem is lag in testing results, you literally have people who are physically recovered before they get their positive results. The wife keeps telling me the number of probable positive cases is higher than the daily positive in house patients.
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Post by teejay on Aug 24, 2020 12:56:16 GMT -6
I'm no expert (I don't think many are at this point), but it is apparent that while there are still a lot of unknowns, there is also misinformation and misdirection happening for some type of advantage. And/or as we see in many volatile subjects of culture today, people making bold and conclusive statements before we know all of the facts. - All 77 NFL tests done over the weekend were false-positives: www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29729892/source-all-77-nfl-positive-tests-return-negative- My 30 year-old daughter was just home this weekend. She is a Physician Assistant in urgent cares in a major metropolitan area. She has spent the last number of weeks having to swab patients for the virus. She says several things. Some people are getting tested every week because their employer requires it, not because they have symptoms. Others are coming in because they are fearful. In either case, the system is overrun with testing that doesn't need to be done, and is using up legitimately needed tests, which is impacting people who need to be tested for upcoming medical procedures. Also, and even more concerning, some people are registering for tests and then leaving the site before being tested because they don't want to wait. They are then being notified that they tested positive, even though no test was done. Think about that one. - And then there's Sweden. Still up-in-the-air on if their approach was best. Time will tell, but they are not currently experiencing issues from lock-down whether that be economically, increased suicides/heart issues/depression etc., nor increased societal unrest, and death-tolls have dropped dramatically.
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Post by svart on Aug 24, 2020 14:12:14 GMT -6
I'm no expert (I don't think many are at this point), but it is apparent that while there are still a lot of unknowns, there is also misinformation and misdirection happening for some type of advantage. And/or as we see in many volatile subjects of culture today, people making bold and conclusive statements before we know all of the facts. - All 77 NFL tests done over the weekend were false-positives: www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29729892/source-all-77-nfl-positive-tests-return-negative- My 30 year-old daughter was just home this weekend. She is a Physician Assistant in urgent cares in a major metropolitan area. She has spent the last number of weeks having to swab patients for the virus. She says several things. Some people are getting tested every week because their employer requires it, not because they have symptoms. Others are coming in because they are fearful. In either case, the system is overrun with testing that doesn't need to be done, and is using up legitimately needed tests, which is impacting people who need to be tested for upcoming medical procedures. Also, and even more concerning, some people are registering for tests and then leaving the site before being tested because they don't want to wait. They are then being notified that they tested positive, even though no test was done. Think about that one. - And then there's Sweden. Still up-in-the-air on if their approach was best. Time will tell, but they are not currently experiencing issues from lock-down whether that be economically, increased suicides/heart issues/depression etc., nor increased societal unrest, and death-tolls have dropped dramatically. I've followed the Swedish "experiment" very closely. There have been a number of high profile epidemiologists and scientists who've gone on record saying that lockdowns are mostly unnecessary and ultimately worse for humanity than allowing a disease to run it's course, albeit a lack of lockdowns will result in a sharper peak and faster recovery. Most of these specialists and experts were ignored in favor of those more willing to give in to fear and push new infections deep into the future with the "flatten the curve" strategy, which has never been proven before as before this it was mostly theoretical. As of today, Sweden has done very well overall and many early nay-sayers are at a loss for words concerning the utter lack of mass death but mostly attempt to point out a higher peak death rate compared to surrounding countries, while ignoring that most of those other countries continue to have a steady infection/death rate while Sweden has almost none. Another prominent scientist I pointed out earlier in the thread mentioned that in almost all respiratory viruses studied to date (including SARS/MERS/FLU), there is always a certain percentage of the population that will be sick, and of those a certain percentage that will die. Whether you allow it to peak early, like sweden, or "flatten" it, the same number will ultimately get sick and/or die over time. Now that we have more data, we're seeing that the USA overall is right in the middle of the cases/population ratio that these scientists/doctors have described. With all the false positives and places like Florida that reported 100% infection rates for a month or more due to faulty reporting structures, the positive cases are likely much less than we're seeing as well. However, I also have people working in local healthcare and while officially many places (including places where these folks work) are claiming the system is stressed, they explain that it's mostly political for extra federal funding and the system is much less stressed than hype would have you believe. In fact, a MD I know is taking some time off to work on their house and a PA that I know is on vacation this week, both from systems that are being mentioned as being "stressed". I also know folks who are going to get tested every single week, regardless of symptoms, because they're afraid. The media has hyped up the "organ damage even with no symptoms" thing in order to continue capitalizing on the fearful who click links to indulge in the latest train-wreck. One of which went and waited in a lobby full of potential covid infected because she had a headache. No fever. Just a headache... Ridiculous. One of the most bizarre headlines I've seen is that Georgia (where I live) has supposedly had this huge "surge" in covid.. But the new cases have been falling for about a month now and are back down to a level closer to the initial easing of the lockdowns, so these headlines and talking points are completely false, yet I've seen a number of people sharing them on FB even today.
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Post by ericn on Aug 25, 2020 11:52:31 GMT -6
I'm no expert (I don't think many are at this point), but it is apparent that while there are still a lot of unknowns, there is also misinformation and misdirection happening for some type of advantage. And/or as we see in many volatile subjects of culture today, people making bold and conclusive statements before we know all of the facts. - All 77 NFL tests done over the weekend were false-positives: www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29729892/source-all-77-nfl-positive-tests-return-negative- My 30 year-old daughter was just home this weekend. She is a Physician Assistant in urgent cares in a major metropolitan area. She has spent the last number of weeks having to swab patients for the virus. She says several things. Some people are getting tested every week because their employer requires it, not because they have symptoms. Others are coming in because they are fearful. In either case, the system is overrun with testing that doesn't need to be done, and is using up legitimately needed tests, which is impacting people who need to be tested for upcoming medical procedures. Also, and even more concerning, some people are registering for tests and then leaving the site before being tested because they don't want to wait. They are then being notified that they tested positive, even though no test was done. Think about that one. - And then there's Sweden. Still up-in-the-air on if their approach was best. Time will tell, but they are not currently experiencing issues from lock-down whether that be economically, increased suicides/heart issues/depression etc., nor increased societal unrest, and death-tolls have dropped dramatically. EveryBody in the world of pathology is wondering if the lab the NFL is using bought contaminated supplies or didnt calibrate a machine. As far as unnecessary testing, yes it’s real (I know a guy who goes at least once a week and never wears a mask), but there are also high contact professions that really should be tested at least once a week. The really big problem is nobody seams to understand that both the low capacity and false negative rate of all the common quick tests pretty useless. I keep hearing the layers of politics and the money involved in the whole testing system of COVID is at a whole new level. My wife’s lab offered up the majority of time on one of their machines to increase capacity, but they just can’t get the supplies. I asked a friend who does a lot of work with the CDC why they didn’t just fly pack or put a bunch of machines on an air ride trailer. Staff it with military Pathololists and techs. They could then surge these from hotspot to hotspot. You would have thought I invented fire. A big part of the problem is that nobody explained to the people in charge that just because Quest or Labcore has a lab somewhere doesn’t mean they have machines that can run the COVID test. So samples are being shipped all over. My wife estimates in normal times 1/4 of her day is spent trying to find lost samples going to one of the big 2, that’s from a very small part of a major medical center lab.
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