|
|
Post by drbill on Jun 15, 2024 12:58:35 GMT -6
My concerns is not if AI is as good as me, or if it can perfectly imitate my favorite artist, or whether or not it will become sentient, or whether the files it produces are as good as 96k files. My concern is whether or not it's going to F up the industry and start making it more difficult for musicians, songwriters, composers, producers, engineers, studio's etc. to make a livable wage. And I think that the unavoidable answer is : Yes. It is going to flip things upside down and crush the paradigm that we have collectively grown up with. If you make your living playing acoustic guitar in coffeehouses - you'll probably be just fine. If you write for films, TV, commercials - you're hosed. If you work in the studio's doing C level artists - you're hosed. If you only work with AAA artists - you're probably OK. For now. There is zero doubt that the average listener will not know, and will not care if their fav tune is AI produced. It's already happening, and we are at the pre-infancy stage right now. I don't care whose son knows whatever. The experts are saying different, and the impact is just starting, and are unpredictable. Even Google, Gates, Apple, etc. can't predict how this will all shake out long term. I'm only going to say this once more and then I'll drop the subject (I promise) AI's are utterly and completely "stupid" - in the literal and full sense of that word - they offer the illusion of intelligence - "they" have no actual sense of anything it's just the statistical based output of a large language model. (Remember my son was taught by some of "the experts" you refer to  But yes, you're right Dr Bill .... people are easily fooled. For a little while at least. And some aspects of AI will be very useful and some negative as is the nature of all technology. OK enough, back to compressors and Pre-amps - the fun stuff  OK. Let's forget whether or not you feel AI is going to replace you. Or me. Or whether the term "intelligence" is misplaced or not. Here's a (relatively) simple question : Do you think AI is going to affect the music industry overall? Will it affect your favorite guitarists ability to earn a living? The local studio's ability to be booked 70% of the time? Your director friends need and ability go procure music quickly for their current project? Cause there is zero discussion as to the previous negative effects that have hurt our industry over the last 25-30 years - and even before the event of AI, the industry is almost on life support. Can the industry overall take another catastrophic hit and survive? Or will music be hugely impacted - relegated to live musicians playing in homes and parties ala music circa early 1900's, and most other "musics" other than the AAA artists being formulated (yes, stupid - yes, formulaic - yes, copycatted - yes, inferior to true genius) by our friendly AI bots? |
|
|
|
Post by M57 on Jun 15, 2024 13:44:27 GMT -6
Here's a (relatively) simple question : Do you think AI is going to affect the music industry overall? Will it affect your favorite guitarists ability to earn a living? The local studio's ability to be booked 70% of the time? Your director friends need and ability go procure music quickly for their current project? Cause there is zero discussion as to the previous negative effects that have hurt our industry over the last 25-30 years - and even before the event of AI, the industry is almost on life support. Can the industry overall take another catastrophic hit and survive? Or will music be hugely impacted - relegated to live musicians playing in homes and parties ala music circa early 1900's, and most other "musics" other than the AAA artists being formulated (yes, stupid - yes, formulaic - yes, copycatted - yes, inferior to true genius) by our friendly AI bots? Re: the first question.. Of course it will have negative effects on the industry as we know it today. The second question deserves a much more nuanced answer than yes or no. In fact, the existence and proliferation of AI may actually prove to be a renaissance for musicians, performing or otherwise. Sure, jobs connected to music that is simply functional, like commercials will disappear, and "C level" engineering jobs will too ..as they should. Because what that means for those artists is that they can much more easily afford to create art. People (who care about the music they consume) may actually go to concerts more often. When AI becomes capable of engineering, producing, arranging, or doing whatever AI does for AAA artists, those jobs will disappear, perhaps as they should, because what it means is that artists will not have to worry about managing and paying for those services. Do you think the number quality of first class musicians in the world will decline because of AI? I seriously doubt it. The hard truth is that technology often creates obsolescence, and it's very possible, if not likely, that the golden age of engineering may end up being very brief. |
|
|
|
Post by rowmat on Jun 15, 2024 14:13:29 GMT -6
This thread is contemplating the rise of AI and how it will affect audio/music production. This could be expanded even further to ask the question… “How will AI affect everything?” Assuming we haven’t all destroyed ourselves where will humanity be in 100 years from now? And how far will technology have advanced by then? It is predicted that most jobs as we know them will disappear within the next generation (20 years) being replaced by a combination of AI, robotics and automation. Personally I think maybe 50% of existing jobs will be gone within a decade if not at least substantially automated. I’m already seeing this occur in real time as many traditional career paths are rapidly drying up. For instance students who are part way through a tertiary course in marketing or finance or business management are suddenly realising they are accruing a huge amount of student debt to earn a qualification in a field where there will be zero work by the time they graduate in a few years. Just yesterday I spoke to a young guy who waiters at a local cafe who just quit his business marketing course to start an apprenticeship with his father as a carpenter. That begs the question what will the majority of people who can no longer work do? How can they survive financially if they no longer receive an income from working? And how will they fill in their day without losing their minds out of boredom or frustration? These questions are already being considered. The first is a UBI (Universal Basic Income) which is designed to provide enough (just) income for a basic existence. (CBDC’s anyone? Join the breadline!) www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/nov/16/ai-is-coming-for-our-jobs-could-universal-basic-income-be-the-solutionThe second is keeping those who are no longer working occupied somehow. Large groups of bored, frustrated people wandering about the streets will almost certainly lead to negative outcomes. (I recommend those who haven’t seen it to watch ‘The Century of the Self’ by Adam Curtis.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Century_of_the_SelfAggravated robberies, shoplifting and carjackings are already out of control in many areas. With those who have jobs still working from home post COVID that combined with rising interest rates has also created a looming crisis in commercial real estate along with a lot of banks that are heavily exposed to the failing commercial real estate market facing imminent collapse. That’s the next shoe to drop. So some form of distraction/entertainment is required. But how can you ensure that people will even accept that let alone embrace it? Providing a large group of people material things as has been done for decades to entertain them is both expensive and resource dependent. But what if you could replace all of that physical stuff with a digital version in the form of AI generated interactive virtual reality? That negates not only the need to travel beyond the walls of one’s home/apartment/pod(?) but also makes it easier to keep the population under control. ARE WE LIVING IN A SIMULATION? So this is where the concept of ‘simulation hypothesis’ begins to enter the conversation. If major changes to society are occurring in the next 20 years predominately as a result of AI, what will things be like in 50 years or 100 years and beyond? Just how realistic will an AI created virtual world be in 100 years from now? For example look how difficult it already is right now to identify some songs as AI. Now there’s a deepfake videos appearing all over the place. Many of these are used to promote scam investment schemes using famous people or celebrities to endorse them. Then there’s the plethora of dodgy YouTube ads promoting some amazing new money saving invention developed by a disgruntled ex employee who left NASA/Google/MIC etc. in order to share his amazing invention with the public for a one off special price before it is banned by the Government etc. Most of these are obviously just selling poor quality items that don’t remotely match the claims. So anyone with even a partially functioning bullshit detector can see these for what they are. However there’s no doubt many of these will become more convincing and harder to detect overtime. Now look at what is currently under ongoing development. Immersive VR devices, AI neural engine computers, tablets and smartphones (and eventually anything with a microprocessor), Neuralink brain/computer interfaces, the mainstream testing/acceptance of psychedelic drugs. All this would have been considered completely nuts just 20 years ago by the average person. But so would have smartphones 40 years ago let alone smartwatches that monitor your vital signs in real time and can automatically call for an ambulance with your exact location if an algorithm detects a serious anomaly in your vitals. Imagine talking to a computer who understands you, talks back and then orders you a pizza? What bullshit is that Siri, Alexa, Google Assistant? For anyone who has experienced severe hallucinations or knows someone who has they can seem more real than reality itself. However those hallucinations are typically both random and uncontrolled. Imagine an AI technology that is able to create specific hallucinations/projections in the form of interactive 3D experiences within one’s mind complete with touch, smell, taste, the sense of hot and cold, dopamine and basically every sensation humans currently experience all within the ‘comfort’ of your own home? This is rapidly being no longer considered science fiction. Nvidia, Apple and GameStop stock prices are all currently going gang busters. Let’s assume as of 2024 we don’t yet have the technology to create convincing simulations on the scale discussed. But say in 100 years from now we would have. So are we currently really living in 2024 as we believe we are, or are we actually in 2124 immersed in a simulation that convinces us we are in 2024 where everything is depicted as it appears to us currently? What is consciousness?  |
|
|
|
Post by viciousbliss on Jun 15, 2024 17:25:16 GMT -6
This thread is contemplating the rise of AI and how it will affect audio/music production. This could be expanded even further to ask the question… “How will AI affect EVERYTHING?” Assuming we haven’t all destroyed ourselves where will humanity be in 100 years from now? And how far will technology have advanced by then? It is predicted that most jobs as we know them will disappear within the next generation (20 years) being replaced by a combination of AI, robotics and automation. Personally I think maybe 50% of existing jobs will be gone within a decade if not at least substantially automated. I’m already seeing this occur in real time as many traditional career paths are rapidly drying up. For instance students who are part way through a tertiary course in marketing or finance or business management are suddenly realising they are accruing a huge amount of student debt to earn a qualification in a field where there will be zero work by the time they graduate in a few years. Just yesterday I spoke to a young guy who waiters at a local cafe who just quit his business marketing course to start an apprenticeship with his father as a carpenter. That begs the question what will the majority of people who can no longer work do? How can they survive financially if they no longer receive an income from working? And how will they fill in their day without losing their minds out of boredom or frustration? These questions are already being considered. The first is a UBI (Universal Basic Income) which is designed to provide enough (just) income for a basic existence. (CBDC’s anyone? Join the breadline!) www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/nov/16/ai-is-coming-for-our-jobs-could-universal-basic-income-be-the-solutionThe second is keeping those who are no longer working occupied somehow. Large groups of bored, frustrated people wandering about the streets will almost certainly lead to negative outcomes. (I recommend those who haven’t seen it to watch ‘The Century of the Self’ by Adam Curtis.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Century_of_the_SelfAggravated robberies, shoplifting and carjackings are already out of control in many areas. With those who have jobs still working from home post COVID that combined with rising interest rates has also created a looming crisis in commercial real estate along with a lot of banks that are heavily exposed to the failing commercial real estate market facing imminent collapse. That’s the next shoe to drop. So some form of distraction/entertainment is required. But how can you ensure that people will even accept that let alone embrace it? Providing a large group of people material things as has been done for decades to entertain them is both expensive and resource dependent. But what if you could replace all of that physical stuff with a digital version in the form of AI generated interactive virtual reality? That negates not only the need to travel beyond the walls of one’s home/apartment/pod(?) but also makes it easier to keep the population under control. ARE WE LIVING IN A SIMULATION? So this is where the concept of ‘simulation hypothesis’ begins to enter the conversation. If major changes to society are occurring in the next 20 years predominately as a result of AI, what will things be like in 50 years or 100 years and beyond? Just how realistic will an AI created virtual world be in 100 years from now? For example look how difficult it already is right now to identify some songs as AI. Now look at what is currently under development. Immersive VR devices, AI neural engine computers, tablets and smartphones (and eventually anything with a microprocessor), Neuralink brain/computer interfaces, the mainstream testing/acceptance of psychedelic drugs. All this would have been considered completely nuts just 20 years ago by the average person. But so would have smartphones 40 years ago let alone smartwatches that monitor your vital signs in real time and can automatically call for an ambulance with your exact location if an algorithm detects a serious anomaly in your vitals. Imagine talking to a computer who understands you, talks back and then orders you a pizza? What bullshit is that Siri, Alexa, Google Assistant? For anyone who has experienced severe hallucinations or knows someone who has they can seem more real than reality itself. However those hallucinations are typically both random and uncontrolled. Imagine an AI technology that is able to create specific hallucinations/projections in the form of interactive 3D experiences within one’s mind complete with touch, smell, taste, the sense of hot and cold, dopamine and basically every sensation humans currently experience all within the ‘comfort’ of your own home? This is rapidly being no longer considered science fiction. Let’s assume as of 2024 we don’t yet have the technology to create convincing simulations on the scale discussed. But say in 100 years from now we would have. So are we currently really living in 2024 as we believe we are, or are we actually in 2124 immersed in a simulation that convinces us we are in 2024 where everything is depicted as it appears to us currently? What is consciousness? View AttachmentThe answers are largely out there already. Governments and corporations hire futurists like Matt Griffin of the 311 Institute to consult on what the outcome will be with all these hundreds of emerging exponential technologies. The only politician I've ever heard show any understanding of this was AOC at SXSW. In short, we're not gonna see a scenario where everyone loses jobs and ends up in a breadline with nothing to do. Figuring out a big picture after analyzing hundreds of new technologies is a gargantuan task. There will probably be a multitude of options to solve most problems of our current day. The inevitable result of all this is that government and money become obsolete. Except maybe in customized communities where people want to live like the Star Wars universe-where you have some really advanced tech but tech itself stays perpetually static. It's very amusing to me that we get these Star Wars shows and games set 1000+ years before the movies and yet the tech is identical. And even though they have cybernetics, light speed, laser guns, human cloning, sentient droids, and all this stuff, they still age and drink blue milk. It probably won't be long until someone can have a fully-immersive movie experience. You can be a part of the story instead of just watching it. So, anyone whoever wanted to be a Star Wars character will get that opportunity. Maybe the future of music will be a lot of people playing the roles of fictitious and historical figures. "Ever wanted to be a member of the Beatles? Now's your chance". Ultimately, what's available for entertainment in 2040 and beyond may be much more exciting than role playing as something from the 20th century. I'm sure you'll be able to do things that will create sensations in your brain that are far more powerful than what we can feel naturally. Already a lot of people have decided that dopamine hits from their cell phone is the best thing ever. The idea of what music is will most likely evolve into something beyond what we can comprehend now. The invention of more notes, new instruments, expanding our range of hearing, just all sorts of things we can't even imagine. The possibilities with music and so many other things are so vast that it's almost too much to wrap your head around. The big thing is to make sure the technologies to cut prices rise up at the same time as the technologies that automate jobs. That way we have mass job loss at the same time as we have plummeting healthcare costs, 3d-printed housing everywhere, way more abundant energy, etc. Industries made up of cynical business people who only care about the here and the now won't be able to stop tech from making them obsolete. All these people trying to get contracts or even laws passed to protect their jobs from automation are ultimately engaging in a futile effort. There's no going backwards and we're just stuck in this in-between phase right now where prices are pretty high before the new technologies take hold. |
|
|
|
Post by thehightenor on Jun 16, 2024 12:48:58 GMT -6
I'm only going to say this once more and then I'll drop the subject (I promise) AI's are utterly and completely "stupid" - in the literal and full sense of that word - they offer the illusion of intelligence - "they" have no actual sense of anything it's just the statistical based output of a large language model. (Remember my son was taught by some of "the experts" you refer to But yes, you're right Dr Bill .... people are easily fooled. For a little while at least. And some aspects of AI will be very useful and some negative as is the nature of all technology. OK enough, back to compressors and Pre-amps - the fun stuff OK. Let's forget whether or not you feel AI is going to replace you. Or me. Or whether the term "intelligence" is misplaced or not. Here's a (relatively) simple question : Do you think AI is going to affect the music industry overall? Will it affect your favorite guitarists ability to earn a living? The local studio's ability to be booked 70% of the time? Your director friends need and ability go procure music quickly for their current project? Cause there is zero discussion as to the previous negative effects that have hurt our industry over the last 25-30 years - and even before the event of AI, the industry is almost on life support. Can the industry overall take another catastrophic hit and survive? Or will music be hugely impacted - relegated to live musicians playing in homes and parties ala music circa early 1900's, and most other "musics" other than the AAA artists being formulated (yes, stupid - yes, formulaic - yes, copycatted - yes, inferior to true genius) by our friendly AI bots? The "internet" and all that is the concept of "on-line" has already massively effected my guitarist friends ability to earn a living. Rock and Roll (my genre and era) has gone the way of the Dance Bands my parents listened and danced to (and who thought would be around forever as they where so great) because fashion, genres, styles move on irrespective of the loss of income from internet streaming. Music is no longer the star around which youth culture orbits for a hundred different reasons. So, I agree with you in as much as AI is just on more negative aspect to be navigated but people will adapt and diversify and humans being actually "intelligent, creative and imaginative" will develop the unique aspects of being human and find ways to play to their strengths. Some will fall by the wayside others will find ways to thrive as it is with evolution. I've already started to develop those aspects of my creative self that "Fake Intelligence" will never be able to replace and I hope I can successfully evolve. In life and in Art I have always tried to remain optimistic. |
|
|
|
Post by drbill on Jun 16, 2024 16:39:29 GMT -6
I've already started to develop those aspects of my creative self that "Fake Intelligence" will never be able to replace and I hope I can successfully evolve. I've got roughly 60+ albums going up for my record company in the next few months. My way of "adapting"? Including (Non AI) into the song title. i.e. SongXYZ (Non AI). Don't know if it will help or not, but if any music supervisors or listeners are looking for music that is NOT AI in the future, the name itself will delineate it for them. Please list out a few aspects of your creative self that AI cannot fake. If you don't mind. Above is one of mine.... |
|
|
|
Post by christopher on Jun 16, 2024 19:41:17 GMT -6
I think business wants familiarity, not AI. Just 10 minutes ago I my father in law told us a story how he heard a song at the grocery store that he hadn’t heard since he was 6 years old. Some random, non number 1 song. And he couldn’t believe it! His emotions came back to him, of his family and life. That is pretty nuts, and no doubt that it made him an even more loyal customer to this great grocery store.
I was also at the Boardwalk in Santa Cruz, my father in law informed me we were listening to Andre 2000. I replied, I guess he’s Oldies now?
|
|
|
|
Post by christopher on Jun 16, 2024 20:05:58 GMT -6
I've already started to develop those aspects of my creative self that "Fake Intelligence" will never be able to replace and I hope I can successfully evolve. I've got roughly 60+ albums going up for my record company in the next few months. My way of "adapting"? Including (Non AI) into the song title. i.e. SongXYZ (Non AI). Don't know if it will help or not, but if any music supervisors or listeners are looking for music that is NOT AI in the future, the name itself will delineate it for them. Please list out a few aspects of your creative self that AI cannot fake. If you don't mind. Above is one of mine.... I'm excited to check out your new music! Congratulations! List things that AI cannot fake? What if AI is listening? Ok let’s see.. - Dynamic flow - unpredictability in a way that satisfies - classical music, I mean REAL classical - repetition that sucks you in, not turns you away |
|
|
|
Post by viciousbliss on Jun 17, 2024 8:31:36 GMT -6
Forgot to mention the guys who create these AI female influencers who are making ten thousand a month or more. A lot of these women who make money on social media and OF are going to be obsolete soon enough. Right now, a lot of the men who pay to message them don't realize that they hire "chatters" to impersonate them when it comes to answering their fan mail. It's basically like fraud since platforms like OF are selling access to the creator as part of the deal. Pretty soon these "chatters" will be out of work as AI will do that too. Then there's people I know who have talked to tech people about selling their white collar analysis knowledge so they can develop algorithms with GPT4. There's definitely going to be a lot of automation in the near future.
You might actually see a lot more person-to-person contact as a result. A lot of people are embracing older tech for fun. So much of this social media narcissism is driven by a scarcity mindset. People doing it to cope with stagnant wages and high prices. I see a lot of women I found on dating apps doing all kinds of self-promotion on social media to earn and advertise that they want a "high value man" to come pay all their bills. Then I see even more of that on podcasts and Tiktok. A lot of Sheraseven disciples. But I do think a lot of people are tired of the constant social media bombardment and soulless entertainment we get today. Match Group stock keeps plummeting, for instance.
It's almost like a second curve rising alongside the curve where AI replaces so many things. When AI removes the incentive to create garbage social media content, people will be forced back into a more real world type lifestyle. Like we had in 2008. It won't happen overnight, but AI will take enough market share to make a lot of people quit using social media as a career. It's not just the AI models and all, but personalized AI assistants. Sorta like how Star Wars characters have these sentient droids to help out. The average person won't need to follow an influencer for tips. Right now, all the social media histrionics are creating a very unnatural society. It's like one con/hustle after another. Grifter after grifter. People aren't really that happy with this aspect of society, but so many are helplessly addicted to it and foregoing real connections. So many people I interact with seem incapable of having a legit conversation now whereas they could before. Lots of emoticons and one or two word replies. And I'm not the only one who notices this based on what I've seen where others have reached the same conclusion.
So, I could see a situation where people start taking up organic music creation for fun once they've lost the social media addiction and new tech has made it so prices have fallen a ton and people no longer need to work long hours. Before all current jobs are automated or just completely vanish, there will probably be a time period where the average person who still elects to work only needs to work 10 or 20 hours a week and everyone else has sufficient UBI. Prices will have fallen enough to where no one is really lacking. People will have a lot more time and money to spend on leisure. This would be before something like the Holodeck in Star Trek becomes a reality. Eventually I would imagine that the entertainment and activities available will be far beyond what we have now and that things like music will be completely redefined. Then our current recording gear will end up in museums of some sort.
There's this famous graph out there showing all the social trends that happened after 2008 when the IPhone was invented or Facebook really took off or whatever. Namely as it relates to dating activity plummeting and the dating market becoming increasingly polygamous. So, I definitely see a social media detox on the horizon as our current social climate doesn't seem to be working all that well for too many people. Everyone has gotten a chance to try out the artificial lifestyle excessive social media created and it's probably past its expiration date.
|
|
|
|
Post by ninworks on Jul 4, 2024 10:05:15 GMT -6
Arms and legs make for a much more compelling live show typically. Tell that to the masses who buy tickets to see some DJ perform live. I suppose there is some creativity there as well, but really?! It's all about the stage show and special effects. If their music wasn't so good it would be the same going to see Pink Floyd play live. They are not now, or have ever been, much to watch actually play but the live production is massive. |
|
|
|
Post by ironinthepath on Jul 8, 2024 9:45:36 GMT -6
....If their music wasn't so good it would be the same going to see Pink Floyd play live. They are not now, or have ever been, much to watch actually play but the live production is massive. Not really sure what you mean here about Pink Floyd, live at Pompeii is about as minimalist as a show can get in terms of live production, and I'v watched (excerpts from) it over and over. Their music just connects with me, David Gilmour's guitar playing and vocals are some of my favorites of all time. And I still use their studio recordings for reference at times. Just not sure how this compares to a DJ! :-) EDIT: didn't mean to get off topic, but Pink Floyd are almost sacred! |
|
|
|
Post by thehightenor on Jul 10, 2024 1:36:12 GMT -6
Arms and legs make for a much more compelling live show typically. Tell that to the masses who buy tickets to see some DJ perform live. I suppose there is some creativity there as well, but really?! It's all about the stage show and special effects. If their music wasn't so good it would be the same going to see Pink Floyd play live. They are not now, or have ever been, much to watch actually play but the live production is massive. A DJ is to music what a Librarian is to being an author. |
|
|
|
Post by ninworks on Jul 10, 2024 3:11:17 GMT -6
Tell that to the masses who buy tickets to see some DJ perform live. I suppose there is some creativity there as well, but really?! It's all about the stage show and special effects. If their music wasn't so good it would be the same going to see Pink Floyd play live. They are not now, or have ever been, much to watch actually play but the live production is massive. A DJ is to music what a Librarian is to being an author. Exactly! Don't misunderstand me. I absolutely LOVE Pink Floyd! Their music is some of the best of all time in my book. My comment about them not being much to watch is strictly for the modern-day concert goer. I could watch them play all day. Even without the gargantuan stage show. These days, if you don't have 10 scantily clad dancers and aren't lip syncing to backing tracks.......it ain't a real show as far as the masses are concerned. |
|
|
|
Post by thehightenor on Jul 10, 2024 3:47:54 GMT -6
A DJ is to music what a Librarian is to being an author. Exactly! Don't misunderstand me. I absolutely LOVE Pink Floyd! Their music is some of the best of all time in my book. My comment about them not being much to watch is strictly for the modern-day concert goer. I could watch them play all day. Even without the gargantuan stage show. These days, if you don't have 10 scantily clad dancers and aren't lip syncing to backing tracks.......it ain't a real show as far as the masses are concerned. I watched a Youtube video of ColdPlay at a stadium gig playing "A sky full of stars" Everyone one of the 10,000's of the audience had LED bracelets radio controlled to the music, lasers, fireworks .... I was waiting for Mickey Mouse to turn up! Talk about the "Disney" treatment. An immersive audience experience. So I went and listened to the new Coldplay album and I thought this music has been deliberately written as a backdrop to a concert light show!! .... the real downside to all this is people expectations of what a "gig" should be gets raised so high and little bands like mine (we're all ex pro touring players!) find it harder and harder to get good gigs because .... well frankly we're visually BORING! Nobody cares that we make great music - live - no backing tracks. Chris Martin sounded like he had a tuning system on his voice - some of the music was coming off backing tracks (dozens of layers) and his band looked beyond bored - but no doubt thrilled at their bank balance. Taylor Swift - Eras Tour - I watched a bit on YT - again backing tracks galore! If she stopped singing the audience wouldn't notice as her voice would still be there! £500 for a cheap ticket. Crazy times people! .... Oh and I watched Pink Floyd perform "The Wall" in June 1981 at Earls Court London. Now that was truly immersive - without a fancy LED light show. That's not something easily achieved, it takes a lot of thought, talent, and something unique and highly original - the essence of Pink Floyd imho. |
|
|
|
Post by Chad on Jul 10, 2024 15:46:45 GMT -6
STILL catching up with this thread, but I've been following Rick Beato on this topic.
I'm not sure if this was mentioned yet... If so, just delete this @johnkenn
|
|
|
|
Post by drbill on Jul 10, 2024 21:56:28 GMT -6
Didn't watch the video yet, but the record companies are suing so that THEY can be the ones to continue raping and pillaging the artists. How dare the tech oligarchy try to horn in on their booty.....
|
|
|
|
Post by Chad on Jul 11, 2024 8:24:05 GMT -6
Didn't watch the video yet, but the record companies are suing so that THEY can be the ones to continue raping and pillaging the artists. How dare the tech oligarchy try to horn in on their booty..... LOL! drbill – Exactly the point that Rick points out in the video! 😂🤣 |
|
|
|
Post by Dan on Jul 11, 2024 11:23:39 GMT -6
Didn't watch the video yet, but the record companies are suing so that THEY can be the ones to continue raping and pillaging the artists. How dare the tech oligarchy try to horn in on their booty..... yes because thanks to Disney and Sonny Bono, they hold the rights until well after the artists did Fortunately for the consumer, Jeremy Bentham was right about rights. Consumers can simply get the music for free through mass communication mediums and territories where people do not respect what Disney and Sonny Bono want them to think about rights. “You wouldn’t steal a car.” Yeah they would in many cities in the US. Unfortunately for the artists, rights now exist in the US to enable corporations to not pay royalties and to exploit and diminish artistic works. Unfortunately for Sonny Bono, Jeremy Bentham was right. Trees do not care about human rights. |
|
|
|
Post by christopher on Jul 11, 2024 14:21:30 GMT -6
I asked Google’s Gemini who owns the copyright for AI?
It didn’t answer who, but did say it wasn’t the users.
So the I asked if it could make a spoof of Hotel California.
5 seconds later…
## Hotel Alabama
**Intro:** (Slow, twangy guitar riff)
**Verse 1:**
On a dusty county highway,
Hot wind in my face,
Smell of sweet tea and cornbread,
A welcome, friendly place.
Up ahead in the distance,
A neon sign I see,
My eyes grew heavy and sleepy,
I had to pull over, you see.
**Chorus:**
Welcome to the Hotel Alabama,
Such a friendly place,
Such a friendly face,
Plenty of room at the Hotel Alabama,
Any time of year,
You can find it here.
**Verse 2:**
She stood there in the doorway,
With a sweet southern drawl,
I thought to myself, this could be heaven,
Or a fishin’ hole brawl.
We danced to a fiddle tune,
Sweet tea in hand,
Some danced to remember,
Some danced to understand.
**Chorus:**
Welcome to the Hotel Alabama,
Such a friendly place,
Such a friendly face,
Plenty of room at the Hotel Alabama,
Any time of year,
You can find it here.
**Bridge:**
We got sweet tea and collard greens,
And fried chicken galore,
But you can check out anytime you like,
But you can never leave, no more.
**Chorus:**
Welcome to the Hotel Alabama,
Such a friendly place,
Such a friendly face,
Plenty of room at the Hotel Alabama,
Any time of year,
You can find it here.
|
|
|
|
Post by bossanova on Oct 20, 2024 20:02:05 GMT -6
One of my favorite synth artists and curators (Sega 64) just announced that he is no longer going to produce new albums or compilations because AI generated music has flooded so much of his niche (Ambient and Vaporwave) with anonymous, 2-6 hour long “albums” and mixes that are added weekly or even daily by some channels.
I don’t think any of this is replacing human made music with regards to inventiveness, but it’s been stunning how fast “AI Slop” is clogging the once reliable channels of exposure for art, music, and writing.
There’s an AI generated “metal” cover album of Please Please Me that sounds like finished mixes sung by James Hetfield, but…it’s just based on lyrics and general structures. The AI isn’t “smart” enough (yet?) to cover the melodies and chord changes of the real songs.
|
|
|
|
Post by lowlou on Oct 21, 2024 2:05:42 GMT -6
And that's progress. Progress for who ?
|
|
|
|
Post by christopher on Oct 21, 2024 8:48:34 GMT -6
I've been experimenting more. It is very close to being undetectable. Drums, bass, piano, brass are all scary convincing. Guitars still sound like synth guitar, that’s the easiest tell. Voice is artifact city but so is pop ever since autotune. So that is actually believable mostly. Some lyrics and melodies are cringey, another tell. Mix wise and arranging it’s sadly right in the zone. I hate it. I also sadly enjoy some extremely stupid tracks it’s made for me when I try to force it to do things no human would pay for.
It doesn’t lessen my desire to make music or own gear. It’s just this thing in the background. I’m not sure how it will impact things.
|
|
|
|
Post by bossanova on Oct 21, 2024 10:48:08 GMT -6
I've been experimenting more. It is very close to being undetectable. Drums, bass, piano, brass are all scary convincing. Guitars still sound like synth guitar, that’s the easiest tell. Voice is artifact city but so is pop ever since autotune. So that is actually believable mostly. Some lyrics and melodies are cringey, another tell. Mix wise and arranging it’s sadly right in the zone. I hate it. I also sadly enjoy some extremely stupid tracks it’s made for me when I try to force it to do things no human would pay for. It doesn’t lessen my desire to make music or own gear. It’s just this thing in the background. I’m not sure how it will impact things. I'm not even making a living off of it, but I can't see it being a great thing when someone takes weeks or months to craft an album and it immediately gets flooded out of reaching popular consciousness because someone else has been churning out a new AI generated album every week, and then multiply that by hundreds or thousands, at best. |
|
|
|
Post by theshea on Oct 21, 2024 10:49:52 GMT -6
And that's progress. Progress for who ? progress for the music industry. which means cost reduction through AI = more profit in the short term. long term and artist/band development is not in their minds. |
|
|
|
Post by thehightenor on Oct 23, 2024 6:06:02 GMT -6
I've been experimenting more. It is very close to being undetectable. Drums, bass, piano, brass are all scary convincing. Guitars still sound like synth guitar, that’s the easiest tell. Voice is artifact city but so is pop ever since autotune. So that is actually believable mostly. Some lyrics and melodies are cringey, another tell. Mix wise and arranging it’s sadly right in the zone. I hate it. I also sadly enjoy some extremely stupid tracks it’s made for me when I try to force it to do things no human would pay for. It doesn’t lessen my desire to make music or own gear. It’s just this thing in the background. I’m not sure how it will impact things. I'm not even making a living off of it, but I can't see it being a great thing when someone takes weeks or months to craft an album and it immediately gets flooded out of reaching popular consciousness because someone else has been churning out a new AI generated album every week, and then multiply that by hundreds or thousands, at best. LOL .... the scene has been saturated for years by people's laptop bedroom output .... AI just means they get to spend more time on Minecraft and less time dragging and pasting Logic X Loops. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. I hope everyone moves to AI (well I call it FI as it's Fake Intelligence) the more people who change to putting their name to generic AI drivel the better it will be for actual singer songwriters like myself. |
|
