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Post by Quint on Oct 6, 2024 8:19:55 GMT -6
Back when they were tools for pros, I would agree. Now they're toys for grownups, and they market them as such. That’s an interesting observation. Yeah, I haven't noticed a change from "tool to toy", but maybe I haven't been paying attention? Unless that was just a comment on this latest pre-announcement? |
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Post by parasitk on Oct 7, 2024 16:35:37 GMT -6
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Oct 7, 2024 19:19:20 GMT -6
Exactly what I thought it would be. Very interesting! |
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Post by Quint on Oct 7, 2024 20:03:51 GMT -6
Still pretty pricey though. More than I could afford or justify for 32 channels, unfortunately.
32 channels of Lynx Aurora (n) may be in my future though. Today's Apollo news has me considering options.
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Post by andersmv on Oct 7, 2024 20:34:49 GMT -6
Still pretty pricey though. More than I could afford or justify for 32 channels, unfortunately. 32 channels of Lynx Aurora (n) may be in my future though. Today's Apollo news has me considering options. We’re on the same page  . I’m about to sell my API console and change things up significantly. The black stuff is cheaper, but it’s still a pretty sizable investment. If I was already invested in a nice ProTools HDX setup and Dante, I might consider taking a look at this. At this point, I just need 16 inputs. I’m also considering Atmos, so it’s interesting that the black Orca is 12 outputs (which would be 7.1.4). I know I shouldn’t bother speculating, because I already know it’s probably not set up or intended to do that. I was hoping for a more encompassing “all in one” solution that was more like an interface. This isn’t it, and I’m not really surprised given the way Burl designs things. I would love to consider it as I’m a pretty simple dude and don’t need much, but it’s still almost $8k and not quite enough. I don’t want to see Burl start to “slum” it and make cheap crap, they’re aiming for the top of the food chain and I respect that. I’m just eternally frustrated as I seem to always be caught in the middle of these worlds price point wise… |
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Post by andersmv on Oct 7, 2024 20:55:36 GMT -6
They’ll have a lot to clear up tomorrow. I’m looking at the Sweetwater page and it appears they’ve got different high count card for the B16 and B80. Seems like the same card to me spec wise, I guess they had to tweak something to get it to work with the smaller B16? I’m confused . Also not seeing anything about the Mothership 3 yet. (-edit- never mind, I guess it’s just the difference in how they printed the text orientation on the faceplates. One is for vertical placement in the B80, other is horizontal for the B16)  |
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Oct 9, 2024 15:11:20 GMT -6
One thing I did appreciate from the two emails I've gotten from their list since posting is that they were very upfront about "if you've got a green and don't need higher channel count, you're good. Still the flagship and you don't need the black."
I do like a lot of the new features like not having to set jumpers and any slot arrangement, etc. Cool innovations. Absolutely not cheap! I'll be staying with the B80 I have now. As packed full as the cards can get now I'd be curious to hear a black 16-channel I/O though.
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Post by plinker on Oct 13, 2024 20:11:18 GMT -6
They’ll have a lot to clear up tomorrow. I’m looking at the Sweetwater page and it appears they’ve got different high count card for the B16 and B80. Seems like the same card to me spec wise, I guess they had to tweak something to get it to work with the smaller B16? I’m confused . Also not seeing anything about the Mothership 3 yet. (-edit- never mind, I guess it’s just the difference in how they printed the text orientation on the faceplates. One is for vertical placement in the B80, other is horizontal for the B16) What are "8 things that will never be in my kitchen, for $1000, Alex?". |
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Post by Dan on Oct 13, 2024 20:29:05 GMT -6
This is more expensive than decked out Lynx and Apogee modular interfaces. More expensive than DAD.
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Post by Quint on Nov 4, 2024 22:02:23 GMT -6
If they offer a Thunderbolt Motherboard option, I'll be fighting the urge to buy Me too - Honestly I'm feeling very hopeful that it is a mothership update and that the connectivity options are expanded. Right now I'm running MADI through a RME madiface usb and while it works just fine I'd find the prospect of lower latency pretty compelling. I sometimes look at the DAD AX64 and get a little lecherous... What kind of latency are you getting with this setup? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 5, 2024 3:51:43 GMT -6
Be interested to know where the extra cost specifically is compared to say symphony mkii or Aurora N: big price jump to the black, although I guess the night guards are down !
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Nov 5, 2024 23:11:57 GMT -6
Me too - Honestly I'm feeling very hopeful that it is a mothership update and that the connectivity options are expanded. Right now I'm running MADI through a RME madiface usb and while it works just fine I'd find the prospect of lower latency pretty compelling. I sometimes look at the DAD AX64 and get a little lecherous... What kind of latency are you getting with this setup? I think they get down to 2.5ms at 48khz less at 96khz obviously. They mention 0.95ms at 96khz which is believable as presonus gets under 1ms with their thunderbolt driver. Not sure how the CPU would keep up filling the buffer in that time. |
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Post by Quint on Nov 6, 2024 0:09:20 GMT -6
What kind of latency are you getting with this setup? I think they get down to 2.5ms at 48khz less at 96khz obviously. They mention 0.95ms at 96khz which is believable as presonus gets under 1ms with their thunderbolt driver. Not sure how the CPU would keep up filling the buffer in that time. To be clear though, I was asking about latency experience pertaining to the MADI connection, not Thunderbolt. I wasn't sure if you were referring to MADI latency or Thunderbolt latency? |
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Post by Quint on Nov 8, 2024 15:19:39 GMT -6
Has anybody seen any reviews on the Burl Black stuff? I haven't seen any yet, but I'd love to hear more about the BAD16 and BDA16.
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Post by andersmv on Nov 8, 2024 18:34:16 GMT -6
I was thinking of reaching out to Burl about doing a review. I can split the signals out on my console, I be set can go to my Apollo and patch the insert sends to the Burls on a separate computer. Sync up ProTools between the machines and compare results after recording a song…
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Post by Quint on Nov 8, 2024 21:35:47 GMT -6
I was thinking of reaching out to Burl about doing a review. I can split the signals out on my console, I be set can go to my Apollo and patch the insert sends to the Burls on a separate computer. Sync up ProTools between the machines and compare results after recording a song… That would be interesting. Though I have to wonder if either UA or Burl would be interested in what the results might actually show, whether it be how similar they are or how dissimilar they are. |
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Post by wmlang on Nov 18, 2024 9:11:55 GMT -6
Me too - Honestly I'm feeling very hopeful that it is a mothership update and that the connectivity options are expanded. Right now I'm running MADI through a RME madiface usb and while it works just fine I'd find the prospect of lower latency pretty compelling. I sometimes look at the DAD AX64 and get a little lecherous... What kind of latency are you getting with this setup? Meant to get back to this thread sooner - sorry for the delayed response. Logic measures my latency at 48k with a buffer at 32 samples as being 2.8ms roundtrip. So it's decently fast. One limitation of my current setup is that I'm using an rme madiface usb which is great but only has one optical port which means that I can't currently run my Burls at anything higher than 48k for the number of channels I have. Ideally I'd like to be at 96k just to halve my latency numbers, especially at higher buffer settings... |
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