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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 7, 2024 9:04:05 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Nov 7, 2024 9:33:45 GMT -6
The 3348 was why Apogee exists, upgrading the filters was a must!
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Post by tasteliketape on Nov 7, 2024 9:49:11 GMT -6
What I understand is it's the sound of several different converters that have modeled on this plugin . Being a digital machine the tape itself was 1&0's
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Post by andersmv on Nov 7, 2024 10:13:24 GMT -6
I've got a lot of respect for Mixland after they did such a stellar job on the Unfairchild plugin, but good lord is this a weird one  . I'll try it at some point out of morbid curiosity, I just don't know what to think about this. It's just a DAT machine with a stationary head. |
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Post by seawell on Nov 7, 2024 10:41:59 GMT -6
This is what the Lord-Alge brothers used for years so I'd imagine that's the bulk of the appeal.
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Post by Dan on Nov 7, 2024 10:58:31 GMT -6
This is idiotic. They’re modeling resistor converters, some of which lacked oversampling, dither, and noise shaping. The only way to do this would be to reconstruct the signal like a modern converter and then attempt to emulate a resistor converter in software with the quantization distortion, least significant bit distortion, shitty filters with thousands of degrees of phase shift, and aliasing. That they try to prevent aliasing with more oversampling than the units had is hilarious. This is so stupid.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 7, 2024 11:04:37 GMT -6
If im not mistaken this or maybe it was a Mitsubishi machine? Was labeled by AE's in mid 80's as "the end of music" because it sounded so bad..., I want to say it sampled at 50khz? I'm going way back to youth memories here, I could be wrong
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Post by Dan on Nov 7, 2024 11:08:31 GMT -6
If im not mistaken this or maybe it was a Mitsubishi machine? Was labeled by AE's in mid 80's as "the end of music" because it sounded so bad..., I want to say it sampled at 50khz? I'm going way back to youth memories here, I could be wrong There were a lot of records mixed to Betamax on Sony PCM F1 at 44.056 kHz and 14-bit. That some of them sound good has nothing to do with what they were mixed down to. |
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Post by ericn on Nov 7, 2024 11:08:38 GMT -6
If im not mistaken this or maybe it was a Mitsubishi machine? Was labeled by AE's in mid 80's as "the end of music" because it sounded so bad..., I want to say it sampled at 50khz? I'm going way back to youth memories here, I could be wrong It was this the, Mitsubishi was considered better sounding, the problem was the Mitsubishi’s were 50K sampling machines so anything done one the 2 track had to be converted to 44.1 |
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Post by drumsound on Nov 7, 2024 19:27:32 GMT -6
I gotta agree with dan on this one. |
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Post by christopher on Nov 7, 2024 19:35:00 GMT -6
My daughter is in high school. The 88-95 digital sound is in fashion- and not in a joke way-, as hard as that is to believe.
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Post by wiz on Nov 7, 2024 19:36:26 GMT -6
Brothers in arms the first album done on this?
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Post by damoongo on Nov 7, 2024 19:46:23 GMT -6
My daughter is in high school. The 88-95 digital sound is in fashion- and not in a joke way-, as hard as that is to believe. Dusting off my ADAT's to sell on Reverb |
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Post by ericn on Nov 8, 2024 11:49:58 GMT -6
My daughter is in high school. The 88-95 digital sound is in fashion- and not in a joke way-, as hard as that is to believe. Hard to believe but everything old is new again at some point. On this one considering you couldn’t give away 3348 about 3 years ago, I just can’t imagine the creative or financial impetus for this one, other than we can do it. |
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Post by Dan on Nov 8, 2024 12:32:28 GMT -6
If im not mistaken this or maybe it was a Mitsubishi machine? Was labeled by AE's in mid 80's as "the end of music" because it sounded so bad..., I want to say it sampled at 50khz? I'm going way back to youth memories here, I could be wrong It was this the, Mitsubishi was considered better sounding, the problem was the Mitsubishi’s were 50K sampling machines so anything done one the 2 track had to be converted to 44.1 There was no way to convert them until the Weiss modular systems in the late 80s. You had to AD to DA loop. There are CDs from back in the day where everything just pitch shifted from 44.056 khz to 44.1 kHz or 50 khz to 44.1 kHz |
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Post by seawell on Nov 8, 2024 12:34:29 GMT -6
I guess one use I could see is that if someone is trying to emulate the CLA sound by using his Waves SSL presets for instance....putting this on first may make those big 8kHz shelf boosts make more sense? This in theory would get you closer to the starting sound he had when making those presets maybe? Particularly if the sample rate & bit reduction emulation lopped off some of the top end.
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Post by drbill on Nov 8, 2024 13:04:45 GMT -6
This makes no sense to me.... ??
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Post by ericn on Nov 8, 2024 13:12:03 GMT -6
This makes no sense to me.... ?? That just might, just might be because you remember the real thing😁 |
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Post by copperx on Nov 8, 2024 14:52:40 GMT -6
Is this a joke?? It sounds and reads like an April's fools release.
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Post by copperx on Nov 8, 2024 14:56:27 GMT -6
I guess one use I could see is that if someone is trying to emulate the CLA sound by using his Waves SSL presets for instance....putting this on first may make those big 8kHz shelf boosts make more sense? This in theory would get you closer to the starting sound he had when making those presets maybe? Particularly if the sample rate & bit reduction emulation lopped off some of the top end. Not sure if the rate reduction can make up for such high end boosts. The CLA boosts make much more sense when pushed into a hardware compressor, so probably that's the key, not the source. That's in my humble opinion. |
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Post by seawell on Nov 8, 2024 15:33:42 GMT -6
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Post by seawell on Nov 8, 2024 15:56:09 GMT -6
I guess one use I could see is that if someone is trying to emulate the CLA sound by using his Waves SSL presets for instance....putting this on first may make those big 8kHz shelf boosts make more sense? This in theory would get you closer to the starting sound he had when making those presets maybe? Particularly if the sample rate & bit reduction emulation lopped off some of the top end. Not sure if the rate reduction can make up for such high end boosts. The CLA boosts make much more sense when pushed into a hardware compressor, so probably that's the key, not the source. That's in my humble opinion. Yeah EQing into compression for sure helps. I’m just thinking this is the last part of the CLA chain that hasn’t been in plug in format until now. I’m not saying it makes sense though 🤣 |
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Post by drbill on Nov 8, 2024 18:00:33 GMT -6
This makes no sense to me.... ?? That just might, just might be because you remember the real thing😁 That's exactly it. |
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Post by Darren Boling on Nov 8, 2024 18:33:34 GMT -6
Is the M-Audio Delta 1010 in the pipeline after this one? Or is the Digi M-Box next?
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Post by Quint on Nov 8, 2024 18:38:44 GMT -6
Is the M-Audio Delta 1010 in the pipeline after this one? Or is the Digi M-Box next? I sold my Delta 1010 to a Craigslist guy in a parking lot nearly 20 years ago. |
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. I'll try it at some point out of morbid curiosity, I just don't know what to think about this. It's just a DAT machine with a stationary head.
