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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 23, 2014 10:43:04 GMT -6
$699 for Solo chip and $899 for Duo
Could they have picked a shittier guitar tone? Anyway...this might be interesting for me. I love the Apollo interface...I could use the Symphony in standalone and connect to this via ADAT. Total bummer there's no second Thunderbolt for daisy chaining...
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 23, 2014 11:05:22 GMT -6
I just saw that this is coming. Looks like a neat little box. I'll have to check out the video.
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Post by watchtower on Jan 23, 2014 11:17:31 GMT -6
Thought it was really cool at first, but...
No QUAD
Thunderbolt only (Useless if you dont have a pretty new Mac)
No dual Thunderbolt ports for daidy-chaining as JK said
Limited to 10 Inputs
I think if I was going UAD I'd just get an Apollo Quad instead of this.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 23, 2014 11:53:43 GMT -6
It's meant for those who want a portable Apollo. Gannon's promised a way to link the Apollo's and the Twin this year. So, if you have an Apollo, in theory, you can piggyback the Twin, use it's extra DSP power, and still take an the Twin with you on your road trip. I can definitely see tracking some things with a decent mic and the 610 preamp plug that's built into the Twin. So, it's like a satellite Duo, only you have the Apollo built in. pretty cool for $899 list. On a good day, with a 15% store discount, that would street at $749.
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Post by watchtower on Jan 23, 2014 12:00:34 GMT -6
Yeah it's definitely great if you're looking to get into UAD and don't track drums AND have a newer Mac.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 23, 2014 12:08:49 GMT -6
I use Superior Drummer, and on occasion, Apple's drummer. I'd gain a Thunderbolt card and lose one headphone jack with a Twin.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 23, 2014 15:38:50 GMT -6
You could use it as a desktop volume controller for the other Apollo...Two bummers for me...the lack of two Tbolts and the lack of SPDIF...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 23, 2014 18:27:30 GMT -6
I guess there's no way to clock this externally, huh? Crap. Would have been perfect for me to use as an interface with the computer - then use a Burl or a Symphony to clock it. I guess they are really aiming this at the lower end market...But, you would think the option of an external clock is a biiiig omission...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 23, 2014 20:02:03 GMT -6
OK - so you can externally clock with it...but can you still use the software while clocking with the Symphony?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 23, 2014 20:22:27 GMT -6
Good question John.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 23, 2014 20:28:23 GMT -6
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 24, 2014 8:13:27 GMT -6
Yes you can. Has anyone read if that new 610 pre amp emulation works with older Apollos?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 24, 2014 8:25:09 GMT -6
“Apollo was designed and built with mic preamp modeling in mind, and has included input impedance switching from the very beginning — every Apollo mic preamp is Unison-ready,” says Universal Audio CEO Bill Putnam Jr. “The UA 610-B Tube Preamp and EQ is the first of many Unison-enabled plug-ins for the UAD Powered Plug-Ins platform. It’s included with the new Apollo Twin desktop interface, and will be available for all Apollo customers in Q1.” Read more: www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2014/1/23/how-does-universal-audio-unison-technology-work.html#ixzz2rKH11M82 Follow us: @protoolsexpert on Twitter | protoolsexpert on Facebook |
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Post by matt on Jan 24, 2014 9:50:08 GMT -6
“Apollo was designed and built with mic preamp modeling in mind, and has included input impedance switching from the very beginning — every Apollo mic preamp is Unison-ready,” Very interesting. More to buy, it looks like, if you want Unison. I take it that only the latest or updated preamp plugins will feature the new capability. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 24, 2014 9:52:54 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 24, 2014 10:12:19 GMT -6
I really wish this worked for me...Love the idea of having some Preamp modeling options...You would think we would see the entire Neve line...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 24, 2014 10:22:22 GMT -6
The option to print is the important thing. The Duo will take you quite a long way, believe me. All my tracks were done with a Duo. John, you can bet a neve is coming..
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 24, 2014 10:56:44 GMT -6
I really wish this worked for me...Love the idea of having some Preamp modeling options...You would think we would see the entire Neve line... Why doesn't this work for you John? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 24, 2014 12:47:10 GMT -6
My Symphony is AES/SPDIF...doesn't have ADAT. The Twin will do SPDIF, but only optical SPDIF (which uses a ADAT cable)...So unless there are SPDIF coax to SPDIF optical cables out...  I could get a AES to ADAT converter...but that's just another expense..and would there be possible sound degradation with the cheap format converter? IDK...Feels painish in the ass...Oh - and I use the Tbolt slot on my Mac Mini for the second monitor - Since the Twin doesn't have two Tbolt connections, I can't daisy chain... |
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Post by LesC on Jan 24, 2014 14:02:09 GMT -6
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Post by popmann on Jan 24, 2014 14:20:06 GMT -6
You'd be buying it for only the preamp modeling? Keeping the Symphony for...? I think it's a neat box. The fact that they've builtin the ability to digitally control the preamp impendance (from the beginning apparently) is brilliant. Unfortunately, the reason i DON'T get along with vintage preamps is their impedance to the mic...but...it IS a key component. The LA610 sounds killer at 500...and like sizzly poopy at 2k. But, the Millenia sounds great at 6k+ or whatever--so, it's not like high is bad, low is good...or visa versa--it's just why you can't "model" a preamp via saturation models--there's an interaction with the mic...they've apparently solved that by building preamps they can digitally vary the impedance to the mic. Some designer should get a bonus for that wisdom. The optical SPDIF input and it only having one headphone means I wouldn't buy it....but, it's not intended for me anyway. It's intended for a desktop musician who needs everything all in a $800 box--with the ability to buy plug ins for the box to make it sound different. Monitor controller, headphone amp, stereo mic preamps that have modeling of others...a whole line of vintage studio gear models that they can buy to use with it...the Thunderbolt was a weird design choice for a 10x2. USB can easily handle that (and since most won't use the old school ADAT input--really it's a 2x2)...and you'd be able to connect it to far more things. The Apollo line supports Windows now...since it does Core audio, that would mean you could connect to an iPad--that's what I'm waiting for--the iApollo dock! ha. This is intended for people who own an iMac or Laptop or whatever...and want to make some noise--it's everything you need except monitors and mics. And since most of those folks seem to post about "which headphones for mixing"...maybe who needs the monitors? |
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Post by watchtower on Jan 24, 2014 15:42:44 GMT -6
You'd be buying it for only the preamp modeling? Keeping the Symphony for...? I think it's a neat box. The fact that they've builtin the ability to digitally control the preamp impendance (from the beginning apparently) is brilliant. Unfortunately, the reason i DON'T get along with vintage preamps is their impedance to the mic...but...it IS a key component. The LA610 sounds killer at 500...and like sizzly poopy at 2k. But, the Millenia sounds great at 6k+ or whatever--so, it's not like high is bad, low is good...or visa versa--it's just why you can't "model" a preamp via saturation models--there's an interaction with the mic... they've apparently solved that by building preamps they can digitally vary the impedance to the mic. Some designer should get a bonus for that wisdom. The optical SPDIF input and it only having one headphone means I wouldn't buy it....but, it's not intended for me anyway. It's intended for a desktop musician who needs everything all in a $800 box--with the ability to buy plug ins for the box to make it sound different. Monitor controller, headphone amp, stereo mic preamps that have modeling of others...a whole line of vintage studio gear models that they can buy to use with it...the Thunderbolt was a weird design choice for a 10x2. USB can easily handle that (and since most won't use the old school ADAT input--really it's a 2x2)...and you'd be able to connect it to far more things. The Apollo line supports Windows now...since it does Core audio, that would mean you could connect to an iPad--that's what I'm waiting for--the iApollo dock! ha. This is intended for people who own an iMac or Laptop or whatever...and want to make some noise--it's everything you need except monitors and mics. And since most of those folks seem to post about "which headphones for mixing"...maybe who needs the monitors? But, but... the Liquid Pre has done this for ten years. |
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Post by Mark Kano on Jan 24, 2014 16:41:21 GMT -6
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Post by popmann on Jan 24, 2014 17:07:53 GMT -6
.. they've apparently solved that by building preamps they can digitally vary the impedance to the mic. Some designer should get a bonus for that wisdom. But, but... the Liquid Pre has done this for ten years. Then, I stand corrected-he shouldn't get the credit... |
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Post by watchtower on Jan 24, 2014 18:13:51 GMT -6
But, but... the Liquid Pre has done this for ten years. Then, I stand corrected-he shouldn't get the credit... That's all I ask  |
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I could get a AES to ADAT converter...but that's just another expense..and would there be possible sound degradation with the cheap format converter? IDK...Feels painish in the ass...Oh - and I use the Tbolt slot on my Mac Mini for the second monitor - Since the Twin doesn't have two Tbolt connections, I can't daisy chain...
