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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 24, 2014 18:46:21 GMT -6
You're actually right, Popmann, I'm not really sure I would end up printing any of the UA stuff with the hardware gear I have now...lust controlled.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 24, 2014 19:01:15 GMT -6
I realize it's desirable not to print anything you don't have to in most cases, but I'm kind of fond of printing a little LA2 on a vocal, just in case I don't need anymore, I save dsp, and it sharpens my focus, knowing it's for the money, if you know what I mean.
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Post by popmann on Jan 24, 2014 19:17:33 GMT -6
That's not what he meant. He means the mic preamp models...versus his API and Neve clones.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 24, 2014 20:06:23 GMT -6
Now, Popmann, was that a passive aggressive swipe at CAPI and Heritage?
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Post by popmann on Jan 24, 2014 23:22:05 GMT -6
Of course not. That's what they are...right? You meant why would you use a modelled Neve (in the UA) rather than a real Neve clone...? That's an odd way to read that, man. I was explaining what I thought you meant...that IS what you meant right?
You're right, IME, a real piece will beat a model....even if it's not the golden vintage standard. Like amps--a real Fender reissue will kick the ass of a "model" of a vintage Fender. Whether the reissue is 100% as good as the old one is a different point all together. And not one I was even considering making in this case.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 24, 2014 23:40:22 GMT -6
I think the TWIN's preamp emulation is an important step forward. Let's say I'm in L.A. or Nashville. I've gotten some interest on a song, but need to do a quick edit to the lyrics to be a closer fit for the artist, and I'm in a friend's spare bedroom or a hotel. With UAD plugs in the Twin, a Laptop with all my other plugs, and a iLok, I can virtually take my home studio with me, all I need to do is take a mic, a guitar, and some headphones along. I bet a vocal would be just fine with the Twin's 610 pre, (or the Neve they'll probably have available soon), once I add the LA2 plug and my ReLab reverb.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 26, 2014 10:23:54 GMT -6
So pardon my knucklheadedness on this...but there's no signal degradation or anything? I guess digital doesn't degrade - all or nothing? If I were to go: pre-->Symphony in Standalone mode-->Symphony SPDIF out-->SPDIF Coax to Optical converter-->Apollo Twin-->Twin to computer...Then use the outs of the Symphony for the DA? That way I could use the Apollo Twin software, right? That completely uses the ADDA from the Symphony and bypasses the Apollo, right? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 26, 2014 12:55:21 GMT -6
 yes should be good by passing the signal on spdif its like the two untis are one digital unit so in consle you would receive the spdif signal on it you could load ua plugs for tracking or monitoring and print in your daw. So in my daw vox 1 is receiving the spdif signal from your symphony sending to virtual 1 in console, I loaded in la2 and its goes out monitor 1/2. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 26, 2014 13:00:50 GMT -6
No degradation whatsoever. Once the numbers (or digital words for a better term) leave the converter, the work is done. That's why converters are so important. After the conversion stage, it is what it is. Nothing can change it. I'm not sure if the Apollo does SPIDF out. I'm hearing that it only does digital in. Can anyone confirm this?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 26, 2014 15:00:48 GMT -6
Oh - that's true. Damn. So you would have to use the DA from the Apollo. Bummer.
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Post by watchtower on Jan 26, 2014 15:43:14 GMT -6
Yeah take a look at the rear. It's only Optical In.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 26, 2014 19:20:36 GMT -6
but why wouldn't you use the symphony converters, spdif to twin and use ua plugs in the console and then print to your daw ?
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Post by LesC on Jan 26, 2014 19:57:28 GMT -6
but why wouldn't you use the symphony converters, spdif to twin and use ua plugs in the console and then print to your daw ? I'm probably misunderstanding, but to use the Symphony convertors, John would probably already be using a pre that's higher-end than the Twin's emulation. So at that point, using the Twin's pre emulation wouldn't make sense. Of course, it might still make sense to run UAD eq's and comp's and others. But then the Twin would have to be used as the interface, wouldn't it, because the Twin has no digital out other than Thunderbolt? Am I right in thinking that either the Twin or the Symphony can be used as an interface, but not both simultaneously? I think I just made myself even more confused than usual. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 26, 2014 20:02:50 GMT -6
My understanding is that since there's not a SPDIF "out", I wouldn't be able to use the Symphony to monitor while I'm tracking...I could use the Apollo, print it and then switch back to the Symphony...Not that the Apollo is terrible DA or anything...Just seems kind of clunky. Just requires more steps than I care to complete. Having the UAD plugs for tracking would just be cool - not particularly necessary...
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Post by RicFoxx on Jan 26, 2014 20:19:59 GMT -6
Man, Im sitting here doing some a/b comparison with the Apollo 16 AD (same as Twin from what I understand) and the Burl B2 and it is just damn depressing. Need about 6 more channels of this Burl AD.
I was hoping to keep the Apollo and sell my Apogee Symphony but no way in hell after doing some listening...I just do not like the DA on the Apollo (or the A/D.) I swear the my Digi 11r (that use for some scratch gtr tracks) has better conversion. Good thing I have some UAD satellites cause Im balls deep with UA plugs.
John, why do you care about tracking with UA plugs...dont you have some great tracking gear???
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 26, 2014 20:28:47 GMT -6
Touche...Because I'm a whore...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 26, 2014 20:29:30 GMT -6
Yeah - I've owned both and the Symphony's DA is definitely better. But it should be...Wish UA would make a higher end Apollo...but doubt that's coming...
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 26, 2014 21:36:17 GMT -6
but why wouldn't you use the symphony converters, spdif to twin and use ua plugs in the console and then print to your daw ? If your using the Symphony in standalone like I am, it will not interface with the computer. Thus the need to SPIDF out to the Symphony to use it's converter on the output. From the Apollo or whatever. The original Apollo will do this but this new twin won't. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 26, 2014 22:54:31 GMT -6
One freaking spdif output. Kind of a big omission if you ask me. Crazy to think they put this thing together with out the ability to upgrade its DA.
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Post by watchtower on Jan 27, 2014 10:09:07 GMT -6
Man, Im sitting here doing some a/b comparison with the Apollo 16 AD (same as Twin from what I understand) and the Burl B2 and it is just damn depressing. Need about 6 more channels of this Burl AD. I was hoping to keep the Apollo and sell my Apogee Symphony but no way in hell after doing some listening...I just do not like the DA on the Apollo (or the A/D.) I swear the my Digi 11r (that use for some scratch gtr tracks) has better conversion. Good thing I have some UAD satellites cause Im balls deep with UA plugs. John, why do you care about tracking with UA plugs...dont you have some great tracking gear??? Please post these comparisons. I want to hear the difference |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 27, 2014 10:16:58 GMT -6
Well, it also depends on what you're listening through...The only way to truthfully compare is to have the two side by side.
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Post by watchtower on Jan 27, 2014 12:06:57 GMT -6
What do you mean exactly? If there is a big difference between the ADs, wouldn't I be able to hear it with clips?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 27, 2014 12:12:32 GMT -6
What do you mean exactly? If there is a big difference between the ADs, wouldn't I be able to hear it with clips? I agree. Mic signal goes through splitter, into each ad, and recorded. Bam. There is the difference between the two right? |
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Post by RicFoxx on Jan 27, 2014 15:34:28 GMT -6
Man, Im sitting here doing some a/b comparison with the Apollo 16 AD (same as Twin from what I understand) and the Burl B2 and it is just damn depressing. Need about 6 more channels of this Burl AD. I was hoping to keep the Apollo and sell my Apogee Symphony but no way in hell after doing some listening...I just do not like the DA on the Apollo (or the A/D.) I swear the my Digi 11r (that use for some scratch gtr tracks) has better conversion. Good thing I have some UAD satellites cause Im balls deep with UA plugs. John, why do you care about tracking with UA plugs...dont you have some great tracking gear??? Please post these comparisons. I want to hear the difference Yeah, I will when I get some time to do so...but really do not care what other people think unless your trying to decide on what to buy and need some help...I have them here in my room...Symphony, Apollo 16 and B2 and I hear the difference. Really I was wanting the Apollo to be it for me as Im using a console and it seems this thing was meant for it. Still going to do some more testing but I can say without a shadow of doubt most people who are not deaf can hear the difference between the B2 and the Apollo and I would say most pros care hear a difference between the Apollo and Symphony. |
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Post by watchtower on Jan 27, 2014 15:49:25 GMT -6
Indeed, you shouldn't care what other people think if you have decided what you like. That's not at all what I was saying, so perhaps there was a misunderstanding. I just wanted to hear some clips showing the difference haha. Pretty much everything I discuss on a gear forum is to amass knowledge and opinions ultimately to help me decide on things I'd like to buy. Therefore, your clips would be quite useful to me and probably others. Thanks in advance for posting whenever you get a free moment to do so.
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