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Post by dmo on Jan 30, 2020 10:09:33 GMT -6
May have just been a limitation of earlier versions of the Ax2 firmware, it's been about 5 years or so since I created those presets. Glad to hear it's standard on the 3- need to get the studio work done so I can actually explore the 3 more
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Axe FX III
Jan 30, 2020 11:51:49 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 30, 2020 11:51:49 GMT -6
Doesn’t the cab block already do that? Blend, mix and match with no phasing etc? What does the tool do differently? You guys try the York Audio third party cabs? JK, yes, the AF3 cab block does all this and more! I haven't tried any of the York offerings but would like to. Do you have any favorites? I only bought the Matchless 2x12...not totally sure it’s anything eye opening compared to what’s already there...but they’re cheap, and people rave about them...I don’t know if I have quite as discerning an ear, honestly.
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Axe FX III
Jan 30, 2020 11:54:25 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 30, 2020 11:54:25 GMT -6
Here’s a question I haven’t been able to get answered at the fractal forum...maybe it’s such a blonde or question people don’t want to answer IDK.
Anyway - I’d like to have the option of making the spring reverb stereo...the stereo spread knob does nothing on mine. I realize spring verbs are mono in real life...but...I thought I could make two reverb blocks and pan L and R but I don’t see that option to pan anywhere. Any ideas?
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Post by svart on Jan 30, 2020 12:05:23 GMT -6
Here’s a question I haven’t been able to get answered at the fractal forum...maybe it’s such a blonde or question people don’t want to answer IDK. Anyway - I’d like to have the option of making the spring reverb stereo...the stereo spread knob does nothing on mine. I realize spring verbs are mono in real life...but...I thought I could make two reverb blocks and pan L and R but I don’t see that option to pan anywhere. Any ideas? None offhand, but I could look tonight when I get home. I've been starting to play around with setting up a "stereo" output the other day but haven't tried it with the reverb block in place yet.
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Axe FX III
Jan 30, 2020 18:36:00 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Jan 30, 2020 18:36:00 GMT -6
Here’s a question I haven’t been able to get answered at the fractal forum...maybe it’s such a blonde or question people don’t want to answer IDK. Anyway - I’d like to have the option of making the spring reverb stereo...the stereo spread knob does nothing on mine. I realize spring verbs are mono in real life...but...I thought I could make two reverb blocks and pan L and R but I don’t see that option to pan anywhere. Any ideas? I dropped two reverb blocks down and then copied the settings from one to the other, then set the "balance" knobs left and right. I changed the delay and the predelay slightly and it seems pretty fake stereo to me. I don't see anywhere that the reverb block makes stereo from mono.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 30, 2020 19:22:42 GMT -6
Here’s a question I haven’t been able to get answered at the fractal forum...maybe it’s such a blonde or question people don’t want to answer IDK. Anyway - I’d like to have the option of making the spring reverb stereo...the stereo spread knob does nothing on mine. I realize spring verbs are mono in real life...but...I thought I could make two reverb blocks and pan L and R but I don’t see that option to pan anywhere. Any ideas? I dropped two reverb blocks down and then copied the settings from one to the other, then set the "balance" knobs left and right. I changed the delay and the predelay slightly and it seems pretty fake stereo to me. I don't see anywhere that the reverb block makes stereo from mono. Yeah. Tried that too. Didn’t think about changing the pre delay though. Guess I’m ok with mono. If you like Fenders, look in Axe Exchange and grab the Burg’s Fenders II. My goodness.
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Post by matt on Jan 31, 2020 10:24:23 GMT -6
Here's the Fractal Wiki on the reverb block. Trying to absorb it now. From the signal flow chart, it looks like the L/R signal is summed before hitting the reverb engine. Reverb Wiki page
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Axe FX III
Jan 31, 2020 20:15:46 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 31, 2020 20:15:46 GMT -6
Oh that’s interesting. Don’t know if I’ve tried the spring before the amp block
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Axe FX III
Jan 31, 2020 21:22:48 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 31, 2020 21:22:48 GMT -6
Hey donr you ever get yours?
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Post by donr on Feb 2, 2020 1:01:53 GMT -6
Got it John. Had time to hook up the output and plug in for an hour or so. Went through as many presets as I could in the time limitiation.
First impression, the first fifty or so presets were great sounding examples of amp tones that everyone wants and everyone uses, and they felt and sounded great. I was playing one of my Steinbergers and I don't think it ever had as much personality through any amp or sim as the AxeFX.
It's probably worth the price of admission for that reason alone. It didn't so much sound like accurate versions of real amps, it sounded like better versions of real amps. Like the best Fender, or the best Marshall you'd ever heard.
Also the low number presets were usable straightforward amp settings and sounds and not the usual preset over-the-top effected thing you typically find on similar devices. Which is good, because the user interface so far to me is awful. The main screen is the whole rig building blocks, which is pretty useless for tweaking any part of a sound. I was unable in the first session with it to even adjust gain on an amp. Still don't know how.
The high number presets were tricky and deep effect settings reminiscent of an Eventide H3000 or suchlike. I look forward to learning how to navigate the AxeFX and feel confident it will contribute to my guitar recording tool palette and using some of the awesome effects.
It looks and acts like a honking computer. If it ran DAW software, it'd be all you need.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 2, 2020 9:36:11 GMT -6
Got it John. Had time to hook up the output and plug in for an hour or so. Went through as many presets as I could in the time limitiation. First impression, the first fifty or so presets were great sounding examples of amp tones that everyone wants and everyone uses, and they felt and sounded great. I was playing one of my Steinbergers and I don't think it ever had as much personality through any amp or sim as the AxeFX. It's probably worth the price of admission for that reason alone. It didn't so much sound like accurate versions of real amps, it sounded like better versions of real amps. Like the best Fender, or the best Marshall you'd ever heard. Also the low number presets were usable straightforward amp settings and sounds and not the usual preset over-the-top effected thing you typically find on similar devices. Which is good, because the user interface so far to me is awful. The main screen is the whole rig building blocks, which is pretty useless for tweaking any part of a sound. I was unable in the first session with it to even adjust gain on an amp. Still don't know how. The high number presets were tricky and deep effect settings reminiscent of an Eventide H3000 or suchlike. I look forward to learning how to navigate the AxeFX and feel confident it will contribute to my guitar recording tool palette and using some of the awesome effects. It looks and acts like a honking computer. If it ran DAW software, it'd be all you need. Yeah the front panel wasn’t easy for me either. Have you downloaded Axe Edit? www.fractalaudio.com/axe-fx-iii-edit/That makes it way way more intuitive to me. Everything from the computer via a usb cable. You’ll need to download Fractal bot. www.fractalaudio.com/fractal-bot/You download the firmware and axe edit files and then open Fractal bot and follow the instructions and it installs them for you. When you get axe edit, you can scroll through presets and click on individual blocks. Then click on the amp block and there’s an “ideal” tab with every amp parameter you would want. Also tabs for super deep diving like changing tubes and power amp tubes. Crazy.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Feb 2, 2020 16:56:06 GMT -6
AxeEdit makes it sooo much easier. Have you guys seen NeuralDSP Quad Cortex releasing later this year? neuraldsp.com/quad-cortexIt's user interface looks fantastic. I hope its amp sims are the same quality as their plugins.
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Post by matt on Feb 2, 2020 19:51:28 GMT -6
It didn't so much sound like accurate versions of real amps, it sounded like better versions of real amps. Like the best Fender, or the best Marshall you'd ever heard. I look forward to learning how to navigate the AxeFX and feel confident it will contribute to my guitar recording tool palette and using some of the awesome effects. It looks and acts like a honking computer. Yes: the amp models constitute ideal versions of just about every great amp you can imagine. It's stunning and the models keep getting better with each firmware release. Welcome to the Fractalverse. As others mention, AxeEdit via USB opens the unit up completely in a fairly intuitive way, it's a must-have. And it is indeed a specialty computer, here's some stats from the Wiki: Processors: Two 1.0 GHz floating-point “Keystone” DSPs (2.8 times faster than the TigerSHARC DSPs in the Axe-Fx II) Video display processor 500 MHz 16-core XMOS USB microcontroller: Supports 8x8 audio at 48kHz, 24-bits MIDI-Over-USB is about 10x faster than an Axe-Fx II Memory: PC1600 DDR3 memory Hundreds of MB of FLASH memory Enough non-volatile memory for over 4000 IRs
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Post by svart on Feb 2, 2020 20:10:30 GMT -6
Anyone do a tone match yet?
I'm following the instructions but when it says I can hear the match immediately, I'm not getting any audio through the unit from the instrument at all, but the match window sees the instrument audio. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
Also, when it says I can save the match as preset/ir, I save it, it gives me a "save successful" but it's not in my presets or my cabs.
Otherwise, I found the proximity setting in the cabs to be amazingly transformative. It gives some ooomph to the cabs that you can't get from the amp settings.
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Post by matt on Feb 3, 2020 8:29:11 GMT -6
I found the proximity setting in the cabs to be amazingly transformative. It gives some ooomph to the cabs that you can't get from the amp settings. Thanks for the tip, I'll try it. The AF3 is so deep the possibilities for tweaking are nearly endless!
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Post by svart on Feb 3, 2020 10:15:30 GMT -6
I found the proximity setting in the cabs to be amazingly transformative. It gives some ooomph to the cabs that you can't get from the amp settings. Thanks for the tip, I'll try it. The AF3 is so deep the possibilities for tweaking are nearly endless! Yeah, as Donr says, everything is like the best of the best. The proximity setting gives a bit of that cabinet resonance that makes the perfect cab sound a bit more tonally "real". The depth setting in some amps seems to add low end, but it's a muddy addition IMHO. I have been turning it down and turning the proximity up in it's place and that sounds a ton better to me. It's cool because usually to get the cabs to resonate in the real world you have to push the poweramp sections so hard that you get a mushy tone. This doesn't sacrifice the purity to get the oomph.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 3, 2020 11:07:02 GMT -6
Thanks for the tip, I'll try it. The AF3 is so deep the possibilities for tweaking are nearly endless! Yeah, as Donr says, everything is like the best of the best. The proximity setting gives a bit of that cabinet resonance that makes the perfect cab sound a bit more tonally "real". The depth setting in some amps seems to add low end, but it's a muddy addition IMHO. I have been turning it down and turning the proximity up in it's place and that sounds a ton better to me. It's cool because usually to get the cabs to resonate in the real world you have to push the poweramp sections so hard that you get a mushy tone. This doesn't sacrifice the purity to get the oomph. Try the smoothing parameter in the cab block:cab more section. Seems to be like the Kemper clarity knob. There’s also a cab resonance knob somewhere.
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Post by svart on Feb 3, 2020 13:39:06 GMT -6
Yeah, as Donr says, everything is like the best of the best. The proximity setting gives a bit of that cabinet resonance that makes the perfect cab sound a bit more tonally "real". The depth setting in some amps seems to add low end, but it's a muddy addition IMHO. I have been turning it down and turning the proximity up in it's place and that sounds a ton better to me. It's cool because usually to get the cabs to resonate in the real world you have to push the poweramp sections so hard that you get a mushy tone. This doesn't sacrifice the purity to get the oomph. Try the smoothing parameter in the cab block:cab more section. Seems to be like the Kemper clarity knob. There’s also a cab resonance knob somewhere. I messed with that too, but was unsure of what it was actually doing. It seemed to make things brighter, but above a certain point started to bring out more "grain" in the tone, which is the opposite of what I want. Also, the new 24dB filters for the speakers are amazing. You can really cut some of the top end fizz without affecting the meat of the tone much at all.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 3, 2020 14:02:35 GMT -6
Try the smoothing parameter in the cab block:cab more section. Seems to be like the Kemper clarity knob. There’s also a cab resonance knob somewhere. I messed with that too, but was unsure of what it was actually doing. It seemed to make things brighter, but above a certain point started to bring out more "grain" in the tone, which is the opposite of what I want. Also, the new 24dB filters for the speakers are amazing. You can really cut some of the top end fizz without affecting the meat of the tone much at all. I thought it gave more definition - say when you take a chord turning up the smoothing on certain IRs made each note a little more defined. Could be confirmation bias
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 4, 2020 11:46:46 GMT -6
Yeah I'm liking mine pretty good. The Kemper was no slouch but I found I only used a few models in the end, mostly a few MB models and the effects were lacking somewhat (ended up using amps without effects and adding later in the mix. But this thing sounds good no matter which preset is used. Never sounds fake. Sounds like amps and unlimited pedal choices. It's impressive.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 8, 2020 9:15:33 GMT -6
Wow. This new 12.03 FW is amazing. Even more “kerang” and touch sensitivity. I didn’t think it could get much better. I was wrong.
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Post by wiz on Feb 9, 2020 1:48:58 GMT -6
Are you guys committing to the sound at the time of recording?
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 9, 2020 8:20:42 GMT -6
Are you guys committing to the sound at the time of recording? I am
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Post by mikec on Feb 9, 2020 9:05:52 GMT -6
I commit 90% of the time. Sometimes I like to record the wet and dry tracks at the same time using the AXE FX usb interface so I can easily re-amp by flipping though different settings until I find something that really fits. It's nice to have the option easily at your finger tips.
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Post by svart on Feb 10, 2020 8:38:01 GMT -6
Are you guys committing to the sound at the time of recording? I commit to something during tracking, but I always take a DI of the instrument alone and a DI of the instrument and the effects as well. I've been burned too many times by musicians changing their minds about stuff we've done well after we've moved on.. With a DI of the instrument and another with the effects I can blend together a new reamping through the AXE really quickly. Even if we committed to a good tone during tracking, sometimes going back and making the tweaks on the amp still works better than doing a bunch of EQ and such in the DAW. The AXE makes it painless to do this. One thing I've been doing is going through all my favorite presets and turning up the highpass filter on the cab. I've been finding that there is much more rumble from the AXE than there is from a real cab. This has really tightened up some of the presets a lot.
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