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Post by notneeson on Mar 21, 2018 9:59:35 GMT -6
Love to have one with a head or two to compare with the Kemper. I have a love/hate relationship with the Kemper...I love selling it and then hate buying it back. (Tip your waiters) Anyway, I still sometimes feel like the Kemper can be a bit plasticky - but I attribute it more to my playing and guitar collection than anything. Doubt is the enemy of real creativity. For me this is the the problem: it doesn't matter if our tweed Princeton or JCM 800 are ultimately going to sound the same as the Kemper version in the track, it matters that the guitar player is having the ride of his/her life. It matters (quite a lot) how the player feels about the gear, and that's a difference you'll hear in the playing— especially when we're talking about aspiring artists who don't have a ton of studio time under their belt. (Bulk of my clients.) Meanwhile, I once mixed some Marty Rifkin tracks done through a pod and, while I did re-amp them, there wasn't a thing wrong with the playing. |
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Post by mikec on Mar 21, 2018 11:13:35 GMT -6
I have a collection of tube amps which I love and will always have on hand, but the Kemper really makes putting down some quick tracks or working to see how an idea will sound in the mix really easy. I have the Kemper powerhead so one of the things I've found that works real well for recording is to run the Kemper direct into my Syphony interface but also have it running through a Mission Engineering cabinet so I get the direct Kemper recording with the Britt profiles but also have the sound in the room so I feel like I'm playing a real amp without having to deal with setting up microphones when I don't feel like it or have the time.
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 21, 2018 11:58:07 GMT -6
Man, that Kemper is sooo convenient. It's just so easy to get up and recording.
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Post by notneeson on Mar 21, 2018 14:44:42 GMT -6
Man, that Kemper is sooo convenient. It's just so easy to get up and recording. Other side of the coin, as per my previous post: if you’re stoked on the OX or the Kemper then you have that same psychological advantage working for you. |
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Post by Ned Ward on Mar 21, 2018 23:04:27 GMT -6
Great that this is out; looking forward to see how it compares sonically to the Two Notes Torpedo. The non-rackable interface on the OX was a conscious design choice to appeal to guitar players (?) but at $1295 this is only being bought by studios - should have been 2RU or the option to rack it.
I'm in the market for something like either the OX or the Two Notes. I love my blackface Fenders and my MAZ 18 Jr, but can't record them at home above a whisper.
I also can't get John Entwistle out of my mind when I see the product name...
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Post by ragan on Mar 30, 2018 0:49:01 GMT -6
Here are some clips. One of each of these is the Ox (the main, panned electric rhythm guitars).
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-a%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitars
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-b%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitars
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-ii-a%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitars
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-ii-b%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitars
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-iii-a%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitars
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-iii-b%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitars
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-iv-a%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitars
https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-iv-b%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitars
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 30, 2018 12:02:44 GMT -6
Here are some clips. One of each of these is the Ox (the main, panned electric rhythm guitars). https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-a%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitarshttps%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-b%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitarshttps%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-ii-a%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitarshttps%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-ii-b%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitarshttps%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-iii-a%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitarshttps%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-iii-b%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitarshttps%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-iv-a%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitarshttps%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-iv-b%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitarsIf they're all OX, what's the difference between A and B? Different amp or something? |
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Post by ragan on Mar 30, 2018 12:15:44 GMT -6
Here are some clips. One of each of these is the Ox (the main, panned electric rhythm guitars). https%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-a%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitarshttps%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-b%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitarshttps%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-ii-a%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitarshttps%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-ii-b%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitarshttps%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-iii-a%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitarshttps%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-iii-b%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitarshttps%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-iv-a%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitarshttps%3A//soundcloud.com/fir_out/guitars-iv-b%3Fin%3Dfir_out/sets/rhythm-guitarsIf they're all OX, what's the difference between A and B? Different amp or something? No in each pair, either A or B is the Ox. |
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 30, 2018 13:42:57 GMT -6
I like A in each.
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 30, 2018 13:43:40 GMT -6
Ragan, you rock, BTW. I assume those are your tunes? Is that SD3 with your edrum kit?
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Post by ragan on Mar 30, 2018 13:54:07 GMT -6
Ragan, you rock, BTW. I assume those are your tunes? Is that SD3 with your edrum kit? Well thank you. Yeah these are from tracks off the record I'm working on. I posted a rough of a whole song the other day in the "What Are You Working On" section. The drums are a mix of my brother's kit (he's playing drums on this record) as I tracked it mixed with SD3. |
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 31, 2018 15:34:01 GMT -6
Amp sims just don't have that smell I have to come to love. Good thing OX isn't an amp sim then!!  Seriously, for me (as an engineer and guitar player) OX removes all the "hassles" of recording guitar (auditioning cabs, mics, mic positions) and leaves all the important stuff in place (the player, guitar, and unique tone of YOUR tube amp) While eliminating all the character of the various speakers, cabs, and mics. You logic does not seem internally consistant to me. |
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 31, 2018 15:36:01 GMT -6
I think that mold on old speakers does something special to the tone... You may (or may not) be speaking in jest, but I think there's something to that. Tends to make the speakers more fragile though. |
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 31, 2018 15:40:38 GMT -6
Love to have one with a head or two to compare with the Kemper. I have a love/hate relationship with the Kemper...I love selling it and then hate buying it back. (Tip your waiters) Anyway, I still sometimes feel like the Kemper can be a bit plasticky - but I attribute it more to my playing and guitar collection than anything. The common wisdom among many Kemper fans is that it gives you a near perfect rendition of a recording of an amp, as opposed to the room sound of the amp. Which makes sense, as the profile is created using a mic and mics don't "hear" exactly as the ear does. |
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 31, 2018 15:45:10 GMT -6
Great playing and I'd be happy to have any of them in a mix. For the most part I would venture that only us "cork sniffing" guitar players could tell any difference. The audience that would be listening to the full finished recording wouldn't know any difference. I have that same exact chair in my studio so I am also very impressed that he could sit on the edge of that thing for any period of time playing these parts over and over. Most of the audience won't even be listening to a real "full finished recording" anyway. They'll barely be listening to the equivalent of an AM radio through a car speaker. |
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Post by Drew @ UA on Apr 7, 2018 8:13:22 GMT -6
Steve is liking it!!
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 7, 2018 19:43:57 GMT -6
My takeaway from listening on laptop speakers is that they're pretty much indistinguishable.
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Post by ragan on Apr 7, 2018 23:24:23 GMT -6
My takeaway from listening on laptop speakers is that they're pretty much indistinguishable. You talking my clips? Grab a listen on your monitors. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 8, 2018 7:29:05 GMT -6
Yeah. Couldn’t tell on the laptop
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Post by yotonic on Apr 8, 2018 11:25:05 GMT -6
I also like version A in all of the clips. The B clips are thinner with more noise. But my gut tells me that unless you are great at micing up a guitar cabinet, the less flattering version B might be the real cabinets...LOL I'm an analog purist when it comes to sound so I will buy the OX if it's version A. If it's not I will keep my pre CBS super Reverb and JCM 800.
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Post by ragan on Apr 8, 2018 12:54:18 GMT -6
No need to keep anything secret. If people want to listen blind, spoiler alert, here come the answers:
The non OX versions are an actual cab mic'd up in my ISO box.
Guitars:
A ISO
B OX
Guitars II:
A OX
B ISO
Guitars III:
A ISO
B OX
Guitars IV
A ISO
B OX
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Post by yotonic on Apr 8, 2018 12:58:32 GMT -6
Wow you get a great guitar sound out of your ISO. Tell us more about that setup!
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Post by ragan on Apr 8, 2018 13:21:27 GMT -6
You bet. I built two little speaker cabinets, to go with the two main amps I use (Deluxe Reverb 68 RI and an AC15). I bought another of each of those speakers (Greenback for the AC15 and G12 for the DR) and loaded them into the cabs. Then I built an ISO box. 3/4" MDF, 2" of rockwool on all sides, top and bottom inside. Whatever cab is in there sits on a set of those black, thick rubber appliance vibration pads. The ISO box itself sits on another 2 layers of those pads. Helps with the low rumble. Whatever amp I wanna use, I stick its little twin cab in the ISO box and mic it up. I also have chunks of rockwool taking up all the airspace around the mics (just rockwool wrapped in some fabric so it doesn't make a huge mess of everything). I have other amps too and I just use them with one of the cabs I built. So whatever I'm doing, I have the amp out in the room by me so I can tweak the sounds while just monitoring what's going to tape. The ISO box doesn't totally silence everything but it does a workable job. I can track loud guitars with my 3 year old boy sleeping directly above me (I built this room and did some things to minimize sound transfer when I was building). |
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Post by yotonic on Apr 8, 2018 14:20:08 GMT -6
So when you are tracking the AC15 you are using the single extension cabinet you built in the IsoBox with two mics "while" the AC15 amp is playing at the same volume out in the room? Or do you disconnect the speaker in the Vox amp?
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Post by ragan on Apr 8, 2018 15:33:53 GMT -6
So when you are tracking the AC15 you are using the single extension cabinet you built in the IsoBox with two mics "while" the AC15 amp is playing at the same volume out in the room? Or do you disconnect the speaker in the Vox amp? I use the "external" speaker jack on the AC15 which takes the AC15s internal speaker out of the loop. So no, no blaring other speaker in the room with me. That would defeat my purpose for doing the ISO cab. On the Deluxe Reverb, its own speaker is already on a 1/4" connector. I just unplug that and plug the speaker cable for the ISO box into it instead. |
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