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Post by indiehouse on Apr 8, 2018 18:04:06 GMT -6
Yeah, when I found out that A (which I preferred by a good margin) was largely the mic'd amp, it cooled my jets for the Ox. I've already got some killer mics and pre's, so it makes MUCH more sense for me to spend a couple hundred bucks instead, and build myself an iso box like this. Thanks Ragan!
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Post by ragan on Apr 8, 2018 18:25:11 GMT -6
You bet. I was really curious to hear the OX. It's a fun thing to play through, but it's no replacement for a real, mic'd speaker in my view. I'm returning it. I will say that the reactive load/attenuation is the best I've heard. If UA sold a box that was just that portion of it for a few hundred bucks, I would buy it. But the modeling parts don't sell my ears on it and $1299 is a bit steep for an attenuator.
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Post by mikec on Apr 9, 2018 9:15:54 GMT -6
For me, as much as I love the ease of use of recording with the Kemper and the logical part of my brain knows that the majority of listeners will not know the difference, emotionally, I still feel like there is something special about having a Royer ribbon on a good tube amp. So, now I am lusting after the new Echopark NARB 50 watt amp.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 9, 2018 13:53:51 GMT -6
Just clarifying...the boxes were mixed up in the examples, so if you liked A all the way through, you had to like the Ox better part of the time. As for me - listening on monitors - I liked the brighter one every time. But couldn't that be EQ'd in? I couldn't really tell in the first example, but in II and III I definitely liked the ISO better. Couldn't get IV to play.
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Post by yotonic on Apr 9, 2018 14:24:41 GMT -6
Only one of the "B" versions was the ISO cabinet.
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Post by ragan on Apr 9, 2018 15:28:25 GMT -6
Yeah A is ISO in all but the second clip (II).
For my part, the OX versions just sounded flatter and more like a sim. The mic’d cab has more punch and life to it.
The OX wins on workflow, and it was fun to mess with, but I needed it to win or at least compete more on sonics.
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 10, 2018 14:59:32 GMT -6
Just clarifying...the boxes were mixed up in the examples, so if you liked A all the way through, you had to like the Ox better part of the time. As for me - listening on monitors - I liked the brighter one every time. But couldn't that be EQ'd in? I couldn't really tell in the first example, but in II and III I definitely liked the ISO better. Couldn't get IV to play. I liked A all the way through, which means I liked the Ox better once. I suppose I'd give the Ox more consideration myself if it wasn't twelve-hundred dollars. I need better than 1 out of 4 for that kind of dough. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 10, 2018 15:47:36 GMT -6
I actually suggested to Positive grid they should make hardware versions of single amp styles and sell them for like $399. Like a Marshall one, Vox, Fender, etc...
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Post by Drew @ UA on Apr 11, 2018 4:55:06 GMT -6
Guys, One thing to remember about OX is that its models include cabs, mic choice, mic pre tone, and mic placement. So you can't set your amp with a real cab, mic it up, get a sound, then switch to OX and expect that your amp settings will necessarily stay the same. Every single time you set up mics in the studio is different. Same amp, same cab, same mics, yet different every time!!  For me, the ability to choose between 17 cabs and numerous mics at the flick of a switch is just too compelling. Here's a little tip I've used over the years in the studio: First thing I do when a guitar player comes into the studio for a session is make them sit directly in front of their speaker cab while dialing in the tone. Invariably, they reach to reduce treble and/or presence. Hopefully some gain too! You see, they've been setting the amp while standing at rehearsal or gigs, with all the sound hitting their legs, not their ears. OX is you sitting directly in front of your speaker cab. With amazing microphones in front of it, plugged into Neve 1073s and 1081 mic pres. Adjust tone accordingly!! |
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Post by ragan on Apr 11, 2018 8:48:51 GMT -6
Guys, One thing to remember about OX is that its models include cabs, mic choice, mic pre tone, and mic placement. So you can't set your amp with a real cab, mic it up, get a sound, then switch to OX and expect that your amp settings will necessarily stay the same. Every single time you set up mics in the studio is different. Same amp, same cab, same mics, yet different every time!! For me, the ability to choose between 17 cabs and numerous mics at the flick of a switch is just too compelling. Here's a little tip I've used over the years in the studio: First thing I do when a guitar player comes into the studio for a session is make them sit directly in front of their speaker cab while dialing in the tone. Invariably, they reach to reduce treble and/or presence. Hopefully some gain too! You see, they've been setting the amp while standing at rehearsal or gigs, with all the sound hitting their legs, not their ears. OX is you sitting directly in front of your speaker cab. With amazing microphones in front of it, plugged into Neve 1073s and 1081 mic pres. Adjust tone accordingly!! Yes, I’ve been mic’ing cabs for about 20 years, as have most of the people here (or longer). I didn’t simply switch to the OX and leave things the same. I tweaked the hell out of both the amps and the OX simulations, coaxing the best tones I could get from it. It’s a cool and fun product no doubt but sonically it still sounds like a simulation compared to the real thing. My opinion only of course (along with about 9/10 of the other folks who listened blind) but it’s not based on some naivety about what cab mic’ing is and what the OX is. |
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Post by Drew @ UA on Apr 11, 2018 9:00:06 GMT -6
Never said anything about naiveté, just trying to contribute to the conversation. |
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Post by ragan on Apr 11, 2018 10:03:29 GMT -6
Never said anything about naiveté, just trying to contribute to the conversation. Just correcting the implication. |
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Post by Drew @ UA on Nov 12, 2019 12:48:05 GMT -6
OX v1.2 Released. www.uaudio.com/ox/appNew In This Version Five new speaker cabinets External footswitch control of OX’s built‑in effects 27 new RIGs based on tones from legendary artists and albums |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2019 13:36:16 GMT -6
impressive: props to ua: you been catching some flack! |
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Post by Drew @ UA on Nov 12, 2019 13:59:49 GMT -6
zero flack caught here! |
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Post by stratboy on Nov 13, 2019 7:34:34 GMT -6
I actually suggested to Positive grid they should make hardware versions of single amp styles and sell them for like $399. Like a Marshall one, Vox, Fender, etc... Looks like Fender, with their Tonemaster series, was listening to you, John! |
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Post by swurveman on Nov 13, 2019 8:22:43 GMT -6
I actually suggested to Positive grid they should make hardware versions of single amp styles and sell them for like $399. Like a Marshall one, Vox, Fender, etc... Looks like Fender, with their Tonemaster series, was listening to you, John! I have a Line 6 Flextone Plus modeling amp with speaker that is probably 15 years old. It would be interesting to here the improvements over the past 15 years. |
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